Southern Rail STRIKE details

[Beach Hut]

I see the £2K bounty is back on to sign a new contract, get in the boys and girls you know it makes sense.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

I see the £2K bounty is back on to sign a new contract, get in the boys and girls you know it makes sense.

Damn if that was my job I'd sign it.....

 

[Ernest]

Damn if that was my job I'd sign it.....

Luckily the Guards aren't as STUPID as YOU

 

[Titanic]

They must be on a pretty good wedge to afford to turn down £2k.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

Luckily the Guards aren't as STUPID as YOU

Damn your in a pleasant mood name calling at such an early time, way to go.

I don't profess to know everything or that I am right, I just said I would sign it and I would. That does not make me stupid.

Your comment makes you narrow minded at best.

Good luck with the rest of the day, charm away.

 

[pearl]

i've read that ASLEF want the DOO trains reversed

 

[Norman Baker suck my lozenge]

When did other trains go doo and why did unions accept this. Just hope guards are not paid while on strike.

Good lord.


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[Deadly Danson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afB5uXl8kQE

not the greatest video but an excerpt from an old RSSB safety video giving you an idea of why having a safety critical member of staff onboard trained in emergency evacuation etc is so important especially in these days of 12 coach trains and remembering events where the travelling public have evacuated themselves without knowing if it is safer to do so.

 

[Bozza]

not the greatest video but an excerpt from an old RSSB safety video giving you an idea of why having a safety critical member of staff onboard trained in emergency evacuation etc is so important especially in these days of 12 coach trains and remembering events where the travelling public have evacuated themselves without knowing if it is safer to do so.

You trot out the same stuff, so will I:

1. it's a good job that Southern wish to have a safety critical member of staff on board in all but exceptional circumstances then, isn't it?
2. why did the RMT allow other serives to operate, permanently, without a safety critical member of staff on board?

 

[beorhthelm]

not the greatest video but an excerpt from an old RSSB safety video giving you an idea of why having a safety critical member of staff onboard trained in emergency evacuation etc is so important especially in these days of 12 coach trains and remembering events where the travelling public have evacuated themselves without knowing if it is safer to do so.

contrived video, with a couple of obvious issues. are there no smoke detectors that can tell the difference between pulled alarm and real fire? on reporting a fire, is it really procedure to not block the line by default and "go have a look"? and why would the passengers not attempt to communicate, and exit rail side, an illogical action. not sure a guard would hlpe much if passangers the otherside of a fire are exiting, theres a number of procedural problems highlighted here.

 

[Deadly Danson]

You trot out the same stuff, so will I:

1. it's a good job that Southern wish to have a safety critical member of staff on board in all but exceptional circumstances then, isn't it?
2. why did the RMT allow other serives to operate, permanently, without a safety critical member of staff on board?

1. They won't be safety critically trained to anything like the same degree. For example, assuming they are even onboard then they won't have any door dispatch responsibilities and will only have training in evacuation of a train on a platform, not in out of course situations and won't be able to lay protection.
2. As I think I answered about 300 pages ago - doo was brought in bit by bit over time. Sometimes it was incorporated into a new franchise, sometimes it was part of a new pay deal, sometimes it would just increase over time from doo on a 4 car to doo on a 6 car etc and bit by bit doo increased. I think the RMT, Aslef, drivers and guards have their own share of responsibility for this and you could argue that the horse has already bolted and the unions should have acted sooner. But as numbers of passengers increase and the length of trains have increased I would argue any further implementation of DOO can only lead to a further erosion of safety.

 

[clippedgull]

Question for a guard:

If a train stops, is it not true that the preceding signal would be on red and therefore a warning for a following train to stop? If so, why does 'blocking the line' need to be activated by a guard or indeed driver? I'm just curious. I have no agenda as I very rarely use the train.

 

[beorhthelm]

1. They won't be safety critically trained to anything like the same degree. For example, assuming they are even onboard then they won't have any door dispatch responsibilities and will only have training in evacuation of a train on a platform, not in out of course situations and won't be able to lay protection.

you are talking about original OBS training, not the current agreement with the same training as present.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

If you disagree with him he just abuses you...that kind of sums up all you need to know about his intelligence

Do you not think that much of what Enrest does and says, is tongue in cheek? Just look at many of hs other posts over the years.

He could, actually, be very intelligent. Not that I know that for a fact of course.

 

[Hamilton]

1. They won't be safety critically trained to anything like the same degree. For example, assuming they are even onboard then they won't have any door dispatch responsibilities and will only have training in evacuation of a train on a platform, not in out of course situations and won't be able to lay protection.
2. As I think I answered about 300 pages ago - doo was brought in bit by bit over time. Sometimes it was incorporated into a new franchise, sometimes it was part of a new pay deal, sometimes it would just increase over time from doo on a 4 car to doo on a 6 car etc and bit by bit doo increased. I think the RMT, Aslef, drivers and guards have their own share of responsibility for this and you could argue that the horse has already bolted and the unions should have acted sooner. But as numbers of passengers increase and the length of trains have increased I would argue any further implementation of DOO can only lead to a further erosion of safety.

How do you know they won't be trained to the correct degree?

What's the link between dispatch and onboard safety? Are you seriously suggesting that individuals will not be able to undertake safety responsibilities just because they no longer control the dispatch of the train?

When DOO was first bought in, was the union unaware of the change?

I'm fully supportive of two members of staff on a train, and I see the value in having fully trained staff that can deal with both safety and customer service. The more operators can get staff onto the trains, helping passengers, the better. I don't see why the second member of staff on the train has to control the dispatch of the train - other than to protect the influence that RMT has over the operator (however, if Southern were to guarantee that second member of staff on every train, then the RMT influence would be maintained.)

 

[Taybha]

Question for a guard:

If a train stops, is it not true that the preceding signal would be on red and therefore a warning for a following train to stop? If so, why does 'blocking the line' need to be activated by a guard or indeed driver? I'm just curious. I have no agenda as I very rarely use the train.

Blocking the line or both lines as the case should always be when passengers have evacuated the train is a critical part of safety procedure as you can imagine , there's no point in just blocking the line the train in trouble is on if passengers are wandering around , that video shows a distinct lack of communication between signaler and driver probably due to the driver having to do the guards work causing stress and confusion , which i guess is the whole point of having the guard on the train in the 1st place as he could of told the driver what was happening the driver would of got the 2 line block straight away and the lad would still be alive . As for the signals on the same line i'm sure a expert will be along shortly .

 

[Deadly Danson]

you are talking about original OBS training, not the current agreement with the same training as present.

Actually you are correct-my mistake. I must have missed that part of the latest offer although they won't have any dispatch responsibilities. I would be curious to find out how long the training will last - last I heard it was going to be drastically reduced.

 

[Whoislloydy]

Southern have confirmed two trains from Falmer to Brighton after the game 10pm and 11pm

But do we know if there is trains from Brighton to Worthing after that?

 

[Deadly Danson]

Blocking the line or both lines as the case should always be when passengers have evacuated the train is a critical part of safety procedure as you can imagine , there's no point in just blocking the line the train in trouble is on if passengers are wandering around , that video shows a distinct lack of communication between signaler and driver probably due to the driver having to do the guards work causing stress and confusion , which i guess is the whole point of having the guard on the train in the 1st place as he could of told the driver what was happening the driver would of got the 2 line block straight away and the lad would still be alive . As for the signals on the same line i'm sure a expert will be along shortly .

That's pretty much it. Obviously your train should be protected from following trains but in this instance there is nothing to stop people walking into the path of a train coming in the opposite direction.

 

[Gazwag]

If you disagree with him he just abuses you...that kind of sums up all you need to know about his intelligence

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