[Politics] Brexit

[beorhthelm]

They are getting worried! It's interesting that it's pretty conclusive that the majority of people in this country do NOT want Brexit. Firstly, 6% of those who voted Leave now regret their decision (and the pain hasn't even really started yet). Secondly, research shows that the majority of people who didn't vote are Remainers. Plus, the vast majority of 16 & 17 year olds (who would be of voting age by the time we exit) don't want to leave.

and what pray are these "fact" based on? same flawed polling models that predicted a Leave victory in the first place (and a hung parliament the year before)?

 

[pastafarian]

Serious question. Given that 48 per cent of the voters on 23 June chose the option that definitely allowed the continuation of Freedom of Movement and 52 per cent voted for the option that either would or would not allow Freedom of Movement, what is your assessment of the most likely overall attitude towards FoM by the voting public? (I concede, by the way, that a large percentage of Leave voters would have said, if asked on the day, that they were against it. I don't know how large a percentage though - what's your estimate?)

You are typically twisting the story and chucking in a loaded question to boot.

The simple fact is
the 48% whether they backed free movement or not,voted knowing their vote if they won would result in keeping free movement
the 52% whether they backed free movement or not,voted knowing their vote if they won would result in ending free movement

it was widely discussed before they vote, people knew the options and people knew the consequences of their vote, you are simply suggesting one side of the debate didnt know what they were voting for or what the consequences were.....which is a load of tosh

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

younger people who probably didnt understand the issue

Reminds me of a funny story,long story short we were on holiday in 2000 Corfu,the lads about 8 of us,in the group.....the youngest was a lad called Luke about 20,he was the younger brother of another in our party..he was one of the few that was in a long term relationship-about 1 year...

Anyway,all us slightly older singles were all about "pulling" and being "players" joking about that sort of thing.....

Well,when the subject came back to how his girl in the UK was getting on without him and that she too could be out clubbing and be subject to being "pulled" at a club.....he said "it's ok,nothing can happen to her,she is on the pill"

Lukes face when we said that it did not stop her having sex was a picture i will never forget..

(not sure if that was funny but if you were there it really was) as you were..

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

You are typically twisting the story and chucking in a loaded question to boot.

The simple fact is
the 48% whether they backed free movement or not,voted knowing their vote if they won would result in keeping free movement
the 52% whether they backed free movement or not,voted knowing their vote if they won would result in ending free movement

it was widely discussed before they vote, people knew the options and people knew the consequences of their vote, you are simply suggesting one side of the debate didnt know what they were voting for or what the consequences were.....which is a load of tosh

I'M SURPRISED HE HASN'T LEFT THE COUNTRY BY NOW , HE WOULDN'T BE MISSED
regards
DR

 

[JC Footy Genius]

You are typically twisting the story and chucking in a loaded question to boot.

The simple fact is
the 48% whether they backed free movement or not,voted knowing their vote if they won would result in keeping free movement
the 52% whether they backed free movement or not,voted knowing their vote if they won would result in ending free movement

it was widely discussed before they vote, people knew the options and people knew the consequences of their vote, you are simply suggesting one side of the debate didnt know what they were voting for or what the consequences were.....which is a load of tosh

Indeed. As immigration has been the number one or number two concern for the Uk public in numerous polls, over a considerable period of time, with well above 50% wanting net immigration reduced ... I think support for F of M continuing is unlikely to be in the majority. Even more so considering we are now leaving the EU. I know remainers who want it ended but were persuaded by project fear that the risk re the economy was too great. One silver lining for them is regaining more control of immigration... the other is we haven't immediately spiralled into the experts predicted recession.

 

[Soulman]

Remoaners told to decide: Are you FOR Britain or AGAINST Britain?
“REMOANER" politicians and business leaders have been challenged to decide whether they are “for Britain or against Britain" and get behind Theresa May's Brexit negotiations.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/721310/Remoaners-told-decide-for-Britain-against-Britain

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Remoaners told to decide: Are you FOR Britain or AGAINST Britain?
“REMOANER" politicians and business leaders have been challenged to decide whether they are “for Britain or against Britain" and get behind Theresa May's Brexit negotiations.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/721310/Remoaners-told-decide-for-Britain-against-Britain

You know you will get.......something along the lines of "we want the fire out,we just don't want to put it out with a bucket of petrol" type of answer.

 

[Soulman]

Indeed. As immigration has been the number one or number two concern for the Uk public in numerous polls, over a considerable period of time, with well above 50% wanting net immigration reduced ... I think support for F of M continuing is unlikely to be in the majority. Even more so considering we are now leaving the EU. I know remainers who want it ended but were persuaded by project fear that the risk re the economy was too great. One silver lining for them is regaining more control of immigration... the other is we haven't immediately spiralled into the experts predicted recession.

Exactly. Meanwhile in Calais France yesterday.

French police & migrants clash for several hours at Calais ‘Jungle’ camp
https://www.rt.com/news/362939-calais-migrants-protest-police/#.WAPpD8FwrtA.facebook



Tensions around the notorious ‘Jungle’ remain high, with French authorities preparing to “completely dismantle” the camp. It currently houses between 7,000 and 10,000 people, most of whom are seeking a way to get to the UK to claim asylum there.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I would like to know are they for or against democracy? They seem to come up with a new duplicitous scheme to try and thwart the result every frigging week!

 

[studio150]

Remoaners told to decide: Are you FOR Britain or AGAINST Britain?
“REMOANER" politicians and business leaders have been challenged to decide whether they are “for Britain or against Britain" and get behind Theresa May's Brexit negotiations.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/721310/Remoaners-told-decide-for-Britain-against-Britain

Can't even get the country right, where on the ballot paper was I being asked to vote on Britain leaving or remaining in the EU.

 

[cunning fergus]

Serious question. Given that 48 per cent of the voters on 23 June chose the option that definitely allowed the continuation of Freedom of Movement and 52 per cent voted for the option that either would or would not allow Freedom of Movement, what is your assessment of the most likely overall attitude towards FoM by the voting public? (I concede, by the way, that a large percentage of Leave voters would have said, if asked on the day, that they were against it. I don't know how large a percentage though - what's your estimate?)

But your not being serious because if you were you would recognise that before the vote the public were told by the remain camp that leave meant out the single market. Leave was always therefore what is now known as Hard Brexit.

Now, if the EU wanted to reform its own dogmatic commitment to freedom of movement so that the UK had control of its borders and access to the single market.......like say the US has then happy Honecker.

What you and others want with soft Brexit is freedom of movement, which is the central issue of about whether this country is sovereign. Soft Brexit is no change.

The only thing that is preventing the UK being out and still having access to the single market, is actually the EU's blind commitment to principles that are out of date and unpopular with huge swathes of the EU's own citizens........they just need to wake up and smell the coffee.

Given the outcome of the vote, I don't understand why the pro EU lot who want access to the single market are not trying to reform the EU. As it is they are trying to twist the outcome..........they are playing with fire.

 

[daveinprague]

The farmers will have to pay a it more than they do now to attract workers, it's not difficult to work out.......for most people.

Yes, I like most people have figured that out. Of course farmers, many who rely on EU subsidies are sure to be paying more than benefit money to pick vegetables. Thankfully, their sense of fairness will prevent passing the increase on to the consumer. What would you suggest farmers pay for fruit and veg pickers? Enough to equal their benefits. More than their benefits to make it attractive? Good luck with that

 

[Lincoln Imp]

You are typically twisting the story and chucking in a loaded question to boot.

The simple fact is
the 48% whether they backed free movement or not,voted knowing their vote if they won would result in keeping free movement
the 52% whether they backed free movement or not,voted knowing their vote if they won would result in ending free movement

it was widely discussed before they vote, people knew the options and people knew the consequences of their vote, you are simply suggesting one side of the debate didnt know what they were voting for or what the consequences were.....which is a load of tosh

I am not suggesting that one side didn't know what they were voting for at all - I was suggesting they were voting for different things. Rant away by all means but you're the tosh merchant I'm afraid, however many of your familiar UKIP supporting helpers wheel themselves out to support you.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Yes, I like most people have figured that out. Of course farmers, many who rely on EU subsidies are sure to be paying more than benefit money to pick vegetables. Thankfully, their sense of fairness will prevent passing the increase on to the consumer. What would you suggest farmers pay for fruit and veg pickers? Enough to equal their benefits. More than their benefits to make it attractive? Good luck with that

Cap. Absolute disaster for the uk and many other countries. Godsend for the French and southern states of the EU. Amazing you want to stick up for such an unfair and elitist policy.

 

[daveinprague]

Cap. Absolute disaster for the uk and many other countries. Godsend for the French and southern states of the EU. Amazing you want to stick up for such an unfair and elitist policy.

Feel free to tell me how much farmers should be paying fruit/veg pickers in the future. Equal to benefits or more to make it 'attractive" ?

 

[pastafarian]

I am not suggesting that one side didn't know what they were voting for at all - I was suggesting they were voting for different things. Rant away by all means but you're the tosh merchant I'm afraid, however many of your familiar UKIP supporting helpers wheel themselves out to support you.

im glad thats cleared up
if everyone knew what they were voting for and knew the consequences, it matters not how many leavers and remainers wanted or didnt want free movement.(impossible to find out anyway)
They knew a vote remain cross in the box meant keep free movement, and a vote leave cross in the box meant end free movement. Those were the explained choices

 

[The Rivet]

Yes, I like most people have figured that out. Of course farmers, many who rely on EU subsidies are sure to be paying more than benefit money to pick vegetables. Thankfully, their sense of fairness will prevent passing the increase on to the consumer. What would you suggest farmers pay for fruit and veg pickers? Enough to equal their benefits. More than their benefits to make it attractive? Good luck with that

Work pay.

21yr - 24yr old £6.95ph. 40hr week £278.00, Monthly £1195.40 Gross
25yr and over £7.20ph 40hr week £288.00, Monthly £1238.40 Gross

Work and you pay council tax, full rent, food, transport, self presentation ablution products, communications fees, access to some TV services, clothes, prescriptions, dentistry and more.
Do you think either of these figures covers all that when a one bed property to rent in Sussex can be up to £850 per week? Food up to £100 per week let alone the rest.
I highlight the part of your post that most worries me. Workers deserve a minimum living wage (over £10ph) and both you and I should agree that everyone deserves a wage that at least provides dignity and the ability to look after themselves and their families.

 

[The Rivet]

I am not suggesting that one side didn't know what they were voting for at all - I was suggesting they were voting for different things. Rant away by all means but you're the tosh merchant I'm afraid, however many of your familiar UKIP supporting helpers wheel themselves out to support you.

Pathetic statement.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Feel free to tell me how much farmers should be paying fruit/veg pickers in the future. Equal to benefits or more to make it 'attractive" ?

They should be paying a decent living wage. I am not an economist nor am I businessman, but I don't believe it is good business to underpay people. I would also change the benefit system so that everyone in the country receives a nationally agreed salary. That would save millions in benefits and help those living with wages closer to the lower limits of the minimum wage.

 

[daveinprague]

Work pay.

21yr - 24yr old £6.95ph. 40hr week £278.00, Monthly £1195.40 Gross
25yr and over £7.20ph 40hr week £288.00, Monthly £1238.40 Gross

Work and you pay council tax, full rent, food, transport, self presentation ablution products, communications fees, access to some TV services, clothes, prescriptions, dentistry and more.
Do you think either of these figures covers all that when a one bed property to rent in Sussex can be up to £850 per week? Food up to £100 per week let alone the rest.
I highlight the part of your post that most worries me. Workers deserve a minimum living wage (over £10ph) and both you and I should agree that everyone deserves a wage that at least provides dignity and the ability to look after themselves and their families.

And farmers will be paying that for unskilled manual labour? Ok mate