[Politics] Brexit

[Hampster Gull]

My god this thread is insane. Speculation ( like the 'expert analysis' during the ref) is getting extremely irritating. It doesn't take anyone other than a poker player to understand speculation. Are you a coward unable or unwilling to take risks or are you optimistic and can work out an opportunity when you see one. This thread has certainly exposed those who cant and those that can. I know months of this argumentative bollocks are coming but at what purpose? New referendum impossible. Overturning a democratic vote impossible. Getting an agreement in a timely fashion with the EU impossible. Call it soon or continue to pay into this shite pile called the EU until 2025.
Politics sometimes makes my blood boil. It's just an excuse to slow down the majority wishes in whatever field it may be.

Brexit means Brexit eh, simples or simpleton

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Have you read that article? When is it dated?

Yeah I cocked up there, I don't mind admitting it, my argument is nobody has packed up and left the country yet as was predicted. Even if they did something would replace it like it always does, because let's not forget the number of manufacturing jobs that have been lost in the UK over the years, which had absolutely nothing to do with Brexit.

 

[nicko31]

Yeah I cocked up there, I don't mind admitting it, my argument is nobody has packed up and left the country yet as was predicted. Even if they did something would replace it like it always does, because let's not forget the number of manufacturing jobs that have been lost in the UK over the years, which had absolutely nothing to do with Brexit.

You say regarding Nissan "something would be replace it". In Sunderland what exactly do you have in mind, more branches of Poundland? This is so key for one of the most deprived parts of the UK

Last year, Britain built 1.59 million cars, and the industry provided jobs for 800,000 people and contributed £15bn to the economy. I'm, glad Nissan have spoken hopefully its a wake up call

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Childish Lincoln Imp, childish. Most sane people read a variety of MSM and also review private and other reports and make up their own minds as you may do. You try to 'points score' like a fat nerdy spotty 11yr old in the school playground.

Silly. It was the previous poster who raised the issue of newspaper readership with me and I responded, in a rather more gentle way than he did. But I'll leave the playground name-calling to you - you seem to have more experience of it than I do.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

You say regarding Nissan "something would be replace it". In Sunderland what exactly do you have in mind, more branches of Poundland? This is so key for one of the most deprived parts of the UK

Last year, Britain built 1.59 million cars, and the industry provided jobs for 800,000 people and contributed £15bn to the economy. I'm, glad Nissan have spoken hopefully its a wake up call

Just to enlarge this, Nissan are specifically asking for future compensation if new tariff barriers are erected between the company and its largest market. The decision on whether to build the Qashqai in the UK, France or Spain is due to be made later this year. That's Nissan. Other Foreign Direct Investment companies in a similar situation (ie virtually the entire British motor industry) will adopt a similar approach. Toyota have said the imposition of duties would make running its British plant 'very tough'. Jaguar Land Rover say trade barriers would be disastrous. It's up to the government whether they head all this off. Headbangers like Fox don't want them to. Fair enough. It's still a free country.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

You say regarding Nissan "something would be replace it". In Sunderland what exactly do you have in mind, more branches of Poundland? This is so key for one of the most deprived parts of the UK

Last year, Britain built 1.59 million cars, and the industry provided jobs for 800,000 people and contributed £15bn to the economy. I'm, glad Nissan have spoken hopefully its a wake up call

But it's nothing new, retails has been replacing manufacturing for years, and until Nissan actually say they are going I just see it as just more scaremongering. Nobody gave a toss about manufacturing in this country before the idea of a referendum came along did they, it's just another stick to hit Brexit with.

I was a trainee mechanical engineer when I left school, I got made redundant twice, which had nothing to do with Brexit. They just shut down or moved because they couldn't compete. Look at the companies that have already gone over the years, Parker Pen another casualty from the local area, again nothing to do with Brexit. Funnily enough I believe Parkers went to France. I also believe Ford moved some of their production to Turkey, so much for the EU.

The way they write these articles, they make it sound as though they are the only manufacturing jobs in this country.

I feel manufacturing is going to pick up because of Brexit. There are lots of jobs advertised for CNC operators and programmers. People will innovate. It will never be like it was years ago, but for all these Bremoaniers, how many people actually really care for British manufacturing when they are buying their phones, cables and other electronics.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Yeah I cocked up there, I don't mind admitting it, my argument is nobody has packed up and left the country yet as was predicted. Even if they did something would replace it like it always does, because let's not forget the number of manufacturing jobs that have been lost in the UK over the years, which had absolutely nothing to do with Brexit.

“Over time, if we left the EU, it seems likely that we would mostly eliminate manufacturing, leaving mainly industries such as design, marketing and hi-tech. But this shouldn’t scare us." Patrick Minford, leading member of the Brexit pressure group Economists for Britain. Hard Brexiters feel that we shouldn't be worried at the prospect of millions of trained staff leaving their productive British factories to start work in call centres and computer shops. Some think we should do what we can to avoid it, that's all.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Just to enlarge this, Nissan are specifically asking for future compensation if new tariff barriers are erected between the company and its largest market. The decision on whether to build the Qashqai in the UK, France or Spain is due to be made later this year. That's Nissan. Other Foreign Direct Investment companies in a similar situation (ie virtually the entire British motor industry) will adopt a similar approach. Toyota have said the imposition of duties would make running its British plant 'very tough'. Jaguar Land Rover say trade barriers would be disastrous. It's up to the government whether they head all this off. Headbangers like Fox don't want them to. Fair enough. It's still a free country.

Blame the people for selling off Jaguar Land Rover to foreign companies, if they stayed in British hands they would stay loyal to this country whatever.

 

[biddles911]

Blame the people for selling off Jaguar Land Rover to foreign companies, if they stayed in British hands they would stay loyal to this country whatever.

Until they went bust!? Remember the Rover fiasco?


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[nicko31]

Blame the people for selling off Jaguar Land Rover to foreign companies, if they stayed in British hands they would stay loyal to this country whatever.

If it wasn't for foreign investment there wouldn't be a Jaguar Land Rover, investors in the UK prepared don't exist. They are more interested financial services and property where a quick buck can be made

 

[Two Professors]

We can't count our chickens yet, Nissan could well demand state subsidies for new investment..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...compensation-deal-before-making-uk-investmen/

Did anyone in Sunderland vote to leave?

If you hadn't been crying so hard at the result,you might have seen that Sunderland voted by an emphatic 61 to 39% on a turnout of 65% to leave!

 

[Two Professors]

Oh I am pleased you're back. Last time you were around you were talking about newspapers and asked me which ones I read. I told you, and asked which was your journal of choice. I'm genuinely interested. Do tell.

As I'm sure you are aware,I subscribe to Great Britain's most read newspaper,the Sun.I'm afraid a lot of the sheep on here pontificate about the Sun,but seem to know a lot about what's inside!

 

[Two Professors]

The important point is though that they all have to sign up to any trade deal with us. Countries such as Luxembourg have little vested interest to do so.

Pray tell how France sold defence goods to Australia without an agreement on free movement.Losing trade from Luxembourg must cause many a sleepless night in Remain households,but good luck finding anybody else who gives a flying fudge

 

[Two Professors]

“Over time, if we left the EU, it seems likely that we would mostly eliminate manufacturing, leaving mainly industries such as design, marketing and hi-tech. But this shouldn’t scare us." Patrick Minford, leading member of the Brexit pressure group Economists for Britain. Hard Brexiters feel that we shouldn't be worried at the prospect of millions of trained staff leaving their productive British factories to start work in call centres and computer shops. Some think we should do what we can to avoid it, that's all.

Ask the Bamford family (JCB) if they think they will have to close their factories because of Brexit-they will pity your stupidity!

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Blame the people for selling off Jaguar Land Rover to foreign companies, if they stayed in British hands they would stay loyal to this country whatever.

As other have said, Jaguar Land Rover wasn't stolen by Tata, it was rescued by it. But leaving that example aside, the general issue of British companies falling into foreign hands is a poor one for a Brexit voter to raise.

Take one example. On June 22nd the Japanese were not intending to bid for ARM Technologies. Within weeks the fall in the Brexit-induced fall in the pound had made the company look so cheap that the jewel of British technology is now in far eastern hands.

And so it will go on and on. British companies will find it harder to buy foreign ones, foreign companies will find it easier to pick up British names at cut-price rates. Mclaren for Apple anyone? It is what city boys like Nigel want, and it's what you voted for. How 'we've got our country back' fits into the reality I just don't know.

 

[studio150]

As other have said, Jaguar Land Rover wasn't stolen by Tata, it was rescued by it. But leaving that example aside, the general issue of British companies falling into foreign hands is a poor one for a Brexit voter to raise.

Take one example. On June 22nd the Japanese were not intending to bid for ARM Technologies. Within weeks the fall in the Brexit-induced fall in the pound had made the company look so cheap that the jewel of British technology is now in far eastern hands.

And so it will go on and on. British companies will find it harder to buy foreign ones, foreign companies will find it easier to pick up British names at cut-price rates. Mclaren for Apple anyone? It is what city boys like Nigel want, and it's what you voted for. How 'we've got our country back' fits into the reality I just don't know.

Please keep up the lower valued pound is good for exports.
You aren't allowed to mention Foreign takeovers of UK companies or imports being more expensive.
Everyone must smile and be happy because we are leaving the EU albeit without a plan.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Please keep up the lower valued pound is good for exports.
You aren't allowed to mention Foreign takeovers of UK companies or imports being more expensive.
Everyone must smile and be happy because we are leaving the EU albeit without a plan.

I don't export anything anywhere

Much prefer a higher pound

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Pray tell how France sold defence goods to Australia without an agreement on free movement.Losing trade from Luxembourg must cause many a sleepless night in Remain households,but good luck finding anybody else who gives a flying fudge

I don't think you understand.

1. No one is denying that almost anyone can sell almost anything to almost anyone. Mirage jets to India, Land Rovers to China. This is not the issue. The point is that being in a single market with no tariff barriers makes it more likely that you will do so. This is why even the most ardent Brexiteers would like us to retain free access to the huge European single market. The debate is not about whether it is a good thing but about whether the access is worth the non-economic price. Romanians in Boston and Poles in Peterborough (etc etc) make Brexiters think it's not.

2. Your point about Luxembourg is asinine with respect. I was not talking about selling things to Luxembourg. I was talking about the fact that no trade deal of this kind can be reached with the EU without the agreement of all members, including countries like Luxembourg who have no vested interest in accommodating the UK.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Ask the Bamford family (JCB) if they think they will have to close their factories because of Brexit-they will pity your stupidity!

Oh sweet Lord. It was not ME saying that British manufacturing would be mostly eliminated if we left the EU, it was a leading Brexit-supporting economist - you know, one of the chaps on your side of the argument. If you think he's stupid I suggest you write to him, Professor Minford at the University of Cardiff.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

As other have said, Jaguar Land Rover wasn't stolen by Tata, it was rescued by it. But leaving that example aside, the general issue of British companies falling into foreign hands is a poor one for a Brexit voter to raise.

Take one example. On June 22nd the Japanese were not intending to bid for ARM Technologies. Within weeks the fall in the Brexit-induced fall in the pound had made the company look so cheap that the jewel of British technology is now in far eastern hands.

And so it will go on and on. British companies will find it harder to buy foreign ones, foreign companies will find it easier to pick up British names at cut-price rates. Mclaren for Apple anyone? It is what city boys like Nigel want, and it's what you voted for. How 'we've got our country back' fits into the reality I just don't know.

Foreign exchange volatility can be caused by many factors, in this case it just so happens that sterling weakness has followed Brexit. Whatever the cause it is one of the responsibilities of Government to protect British industry from being picked off in the way you describe. At present this doesn't appear to be happening but then it didn't happen in the past either when sterling fell for other reasons. The problem here isn't Brexit it's rampant free market economics that allows foreign investors unfettered access to our market. It simply doesn't happen elsewhere in the world. There are restrictions on foreign buying of property and strategic industrial assets in many advanced nations. That should be the case in the U.K. as well. Note I have said restrictions, not a ban. The alternative is what we have here in the U.K. where wealthy foreigners buy assets and bid prices up out of reach of U.K. residents and businesses.