Syrian asylum-seeker with machete kills woman in southern Germany

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Does that mean he's not going to heaven with his group of virgins to rape?

Oh no. I think he DOES because he reckons he did a great job.

However, when he walks in he just has the Virgins LAUGHING at him instead.....


Reminds me a bit of the family guy sketch where the suicide bomber walks in to heaven saying "here I am virgins!" and is just confronted with a room of computer geeks

 

[JC Footy Genius]

What do you mean by moderate Muslims? All normal Muslims? Including Muslim doctors, police officers, politicians? Beram Kayal is Muslim... Despite what the S*n might tell you, normal Muslims do not support terrorist organisations, they do not want to see people beheaded.

I will reiterate that Daesh pose the biggest threat to Muslims themselves! 99.9% of the people they have beheaded, or even simply killed are men, women and children in the Middle East.

Agree the vast majority of 'normal' Muslims don't support terrorist organisations. Unfortunately on a sliding scale ending up in a clear majority many do believe apostates should be killed, women are 2nd class citizens, being gay should be made illegal or worse, 9/11 was a Jewish US government conspiracy, the holocaust was exaggerated or didn't happen, free speech/expression re Mo in non Muslim countries should be severely curtailed .. which has been achieved through the violence by the small minority.

At the very least we have a big clash of cultures/beliefs inextricably linked to the religion which makes integration extremely difficult which in turn perpetuates a them and us attitude. Fertile ground for radicalising a steady stream of nutjobs to commit horrendous acts, which is clearly where we are now.

 

[Triggaaar]

And your point is ?

I imagine his point is that we don't lock up all white males in order to stop serial killers.

 

[HCxUK]

So doesn't that just prove then what a shitty ideology it is then that they even kill their own?

If othjer religious ideologies can be attacked openly, so too should Islam.

Except it can't be for some warped reasoning.

I think you are confusing Jihadism with Islam, they are different, although many Islamic teachings are outdated and contradictory, there is a stark difference between Jihadism and Islam.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I think you are confusing Jihadism with Islam, they are different, although many Islamic teachings are outdated and contradictory, there is a stark difference between Jihadism and Islam.

No i'm not really, Muhammad was an utter shitlord of a bloke.

I can't see how an ideology that comes from someone like that can't craft nutters out of the average person if they swallow his tale.

I mean if a nutter can be created out of a pacifist like that Jesus character there's a far greater chance for corruption on a grander scale when following Muhammad.

 

[HCxUK]

Agree the vast majority of 'normal' Muslims don't support terrorist organisations. Unfortunately on a sliding scale ending up in a clear majority many do believe apostates should be killed, women are 2nd class citizens, being gay should be made illegal or worse, 9/11 was a Jewish US government conspiracy, the holocaust was exaggerated or didn't happen, free speech/expression re Mo in non Muslim countries should be severely curtailed .. which has been achieved through the violence by the small minority.

At the very least we have a big clash of cultures/beliefs inextricably linked to the religion which makes integration extremely difficult which in turn perpetuates a them and us attitude. Fertile ground for radicalising a steady stream of nutjobs to commit horrendous acts, which is clearly where we are now.

It is undeniable that Islam as a faith is outdated and there are issues with some Muslims integrating in to Western society, however, it is simply wrong to refer to Muslims as terrorist sympathisers, which is what I was replying to.

But generally, Muslims who accept the Quran cannot be taken for face value integrate in to European society far easier than those who do not, so until Islam as a faith modernises this problem will persist to an extent. But there are faults on both sides, neither Islam communities nor the government and local authorities do enough to combat radicalisation in young Muslims.

However, the negative attitude displayed by some towards Muslims only serves to worsen the already fractured relationship between the Muslims and the West, and again leads to further radicalisation.

 

[HCxUK]

No i'm not really, Muhammad was an utter shitlord of a bloke.

I can't see how an ideology that comes from someone like that can't craft nutters out of the average person if they swallow his tale.

I mean if a nutter can be created out of a pacifist like that Jesus character there's a far greater chance for corruption on a grander scale when following Muhammad.

The Old Testament promotes mass killings and vast amounts of violence, Islam and Christianity both promote violence in their Holy books, books which were written thousands of years ago. Religion is flawed. But that doesn't mean you should have anything against those who choose to follow their chosen faith.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

The Old Testament promotes mass killings and vast amounts of violence, Islam and Christianity both promote violence in their Holy books, books which were written thousands of years ago. Religion is flawed. But that doesn't mean you should have anything against those who choose to follow their chosen faith.

Jesus had nothing to do with the Old Testament. Pretty sure he said forget the OT.

Religion is flawed, but as we've seen with the Catholic Church if you're able to drag their name through the mud and abuse them openly with no recourse they actually start to change because of the grilling.

That isn't allowed with Islam. If Catholicism had to take a kicking in the public day after day to move it forward then so to should Islam be put under the same microscope and flame.

 

[HCxUK]

Jesus had nothing to do with the Old Testament. Pretty sure he said forget the OT.

Religion is flawed, but as we've seen with the Catholic Church if you're able to drag their name through the mud and abuse them openly with no recourse they actually start to change because of the grilling.

That isn't allowed with Islam. If Catholicism had to take a kicking in the public day after day to move it forward then so to should Islam be put under the same microscope and flame.

I know, but the Old Testament is still part of the Bible.

I'd disagree, I feel as though Islam has been put under scrutiny by the West but the issue is that it hasn't in areas in which it needs to be in order for change to occur, such as the Middle East and Africa.

 

[BigGully]

However, the negative attitude displayed by some towards Muslims only serves to worsen the already fractured relationship between the Muslims and the West, and again leads to further radicalisation.

Why should we treat Muslims with any more deference then say Jehovahs, Scientologists or Mormons or any other religion ??

I grew up at the local secondary modern that basically rinsed me of any religious aspiration, RE nearly being a lesson that you either didnt bother attending or if you did it was obligatory to cause casual mayhem and Life of Brian had some success.

I can honestly say I cannot recall defining anyone by their religion, perhaps a weird look at the Jehovahs walking out of assemblies but beyond that nothing up until I spoke to a Scots mate who briefly explained how he back home in Edinburgh knew each persons religion, either by their school, football team or name.

Islam deserves some ridicule a bit of a kicking, its a blight for Muslims and a blight for the rest of us, its not the time to lend it any special conditions or consideration, call it out, communities driven by mythical stories have no place in modern evolved western civilisation.

 

[HCxUK]

Why should we treat Muslims with any more deference then say Jehovahs, Scientologists or Mormons or any other religion ??

I grew up at the local secondary modern that basically rinsed me of any religious aspiration, RE nearly being a lesson that you either didnt bother attending or if you did it was obligatory to cause casual mayhem and Life of Brian had some success.

I can honestly say I cannot recall defining anyone by their religion, perhaps a weird look at the Jehovahs walking out of assemblies but beyond that nothing up until I spoke to a Scots mate who briefly explained how he back home in Edinburgh knew each persons religion, either by their school, football team or name.

Islam deserves some ridicule a bit of a kicking, its a blight for Muslims and a blight for the rest of us, its not the time to lend it any special conditions or consideration, call it out, communities driven by mythical stories have no place in modern evolved western civilisation.

Do you have the same view on Christianity and Judaism out of interest?

 

[BadFish]

It is undeniable that Islam as a faith is outdated and there are issues with some Muslims integrating in to Western society, however, it is simply wrong to refer to Muslims as terrorist sympathisers, which is what I was replying to.

But generally, Muslims who accept the Quran cannot be taken for face value integrate in to European society far easier than those who do not, so until Islam as a faith modernises this problem will persist to an extent. But there are faults on both sides, neither Islam communities nor the government and local authorities do enough to combat radicalisation in young Muslims.

However, the negative attitude displayed by some towards Muslims only serves to worsen the already fractured relationship between the Muslims and the West, and again leads to further radicalisation.

Exactly. Excellent post.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I know, but the Old Testament is still part of the Bible.

I'd disagree, I feel as though Islam has been put under scrutiny by the West but the issue is that it hasn't in areas in which it needs to be in order for change to occur, such as the Middle East and Africa.

Islam can't change, Muhammads teachings are so warped and set in stone that it doesnt allow for anything but living a backwards lifestyle and mentality that isn't compatible with Western society moving forward.

 

[BigGully]

Do you have the same view on Christianity and Judaism out of interest?

Of course I do, but these have already taken a klickin' through my own experience as outlined, whats left is basically a passive religion knowing not to demand much.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Do you have the same view on Christianity and Judaism out of interest?

When Richard Dawkins tackled Christianity he was applauded and given a massive platform. When he did the same thing to Islam all of a sudden the deadshit left element has turned on him.

Why is that?

 

[BadFish]

Islam can't change, Muhammads teachings are so warped and set in stone that it doesnt allow for anything but living a backwards lifestyle and mentality that isn't compatible with Western society moving forward.

Yet millions of Muslims live a perfectly normal and well rounded life.

 

[BigGully]

Yet millions of Muslims live a perfectly normal and well rounded life.

In-spite of and maybe not because of, that shouldn't somehow qualify their religion as reasonable and appropriate to our western civilisation, since when has going to prayer 5 times a day, excluding certain foodstuff based on religious doctrine with very little equitable status between genders, whats 'rounded' about that ??

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Do you have the same view on Christianity and Judaism out of interest?

Don't you ? All of these religions institutionalise discrimination on the grounds of sex and sexual orientation. They are a method of control. Christianity in particular has been controlled and pacified in the manner described by the poster to whom you replied. Western civilisation has been through this once and I don't see why we should go through it again. I would like to see the people of the Middle East freed from this cult in the same way as we gained our freedom and failing that I don't want it taking hold in Europe.

 

[Hastings gull]

It is undeniable that Islam as a faith is outdated and there are issues with some Muslims integrating in to Western society, however, it is simply wrong to refer to Muslims as terrorist sympathisers, which is what I was replying to.

But generally, Muslims who accept the Quran cannot be taken for face value integrate in to European society far easier than those who do not, so until Islam as a faith modernises this problem will persist to an extent. But there are faults on both sides, neither Islam communities nor the government and local authorities do enough to combat radicalisation in young Muslims.

However, the negative attitude displayed by some towards Muslims only serves to worsen the already fractured relationship between the Muslims and the West, and again leads to further radicalisation.

Talk about an under-statement! Whilst it may or may not be the case that not enough is done to combat radicalisation, why should the government or local authorities take any blame? It sounds very much as though you are just trying to spread a bit of blame. Should schools be blamed for kids and parents who have little interest in education. Perhaps if more was done at home and in their own communities, that would go a long way, and to be fair, you do acknowledge that as well. But you have slipped into the usual lazy accusation that because of the actions of a minority, all muslims are being castigated. I have yet to read anyone's posts that thinks this. Many folk on here work with, or live near muslims, and know that this is blatantly not true that the nutters speak for the majority. There has, however, understandably been much criticism of Islam etc and interpretation of the teachings by a small but significant minority, determined to cause mayhem.

 

[Mr Putdown]

It is undeniable that Islam as a faith is outdated.

Is it?

You might think so but There must be many millions of people who would deny this was true.