Sadly, I don't care any more.......

[Notters]

I was and am elated by the Brexit decision. I am totally embarrassed by the England football team. The good news is that hopefully Brexit will mean many fewer foreigners playing football for English teams and therefore more opportunity to develop top class English players.

But can't you see it was their quality that was the issue. It was their attitude.

 

[Billy the Fish]

But to be more accurate, it is not about football, it is about our culture. The one where we as a country believe that we are better than the rest, better than Europe, that we can take on the world and win. As a nation we have voted for Brexit, cos we know best. Fxxk the French/Germans and the refugees, fxxk the fact that every economic expert said don't do it, fxxk everyone that dares not to have the Bulldog Bobby attitude.

We seem to lurch from fxxk-you arrogance to victimhood and back without ever passing through a mature adult stage

Wasn't that the OP!?!?!?

Are people just constantly regurgitating what they've read on social media and passing it off as their own opinion!!

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

But to be more accurate, it is not about football, it is about our culture. The one where we as a country believe that we are better than the rest, better than Europe, that we can take on the world and win. As a nation we have voted for Brexit, cos we know best. Fxxk the French/Germans and the refugees, fxxk the fact that every economic expert said don't do it, fxxk everyone that dares not to have the Bulldog Bobby attitude.

We seem to lurch from fxxk-you arrogance to victimhood and back without ever passing through a mature adult stage

The thing is I know a number of people who voted Leave and none of them (or me) think like this.The people you describe certainly sound deluded but why do you think that view represents the motivation for Leave ? I don't want to take on the world and I don't think I'm better than anybody. I simply believe that membership of the EU is not the best option. We need to come together in a national debate and stop all the negative over generalizing. Actually on second thoughts that is probably happening in real life but it just hasn't reached the extreme world of the internet as yet.

 

[LU7 RED]

I kept thinking last night about how many light years I felt from that Saturday night at London 2012 and that I couldn’t imagine ever feeling like that again. If we had won the Euros I would have struggled to feel anything like the pride I would have expected. This is largely because of last week but not the result, which I have to accept, but the poison that was unleashed by an element of the Leave side and the ,already shocking, consequences with a palpable change in atmosphere across the country. It is also because of the total lack of any preparation from leaders on either side for the result we had which would be funny if it wasn’t shameful and deeply dangerous. This doesn’t mean that I don’t have pride in many things; the amazing national body that I work for, working in London; the greatest city in the world, coming from Brighton, being an Albion fan. It is just having pride in England as a country that I am struggling with…and as for Great Britain; I can’t see a Team GB at the 2020 Olympics.

Top post - I was at Super Saturday as well and I remember very surprisingly having a lump in my throat watching the opening ceremony - probably the most patriotic I have felt. Love my athletics and boy its a great antidote to football sometimes! the last week has been an absolute pile of shite. I was in the laughing camp last night - long way from France 98 where I was limping to work with a hangover after kicking a heavy police cone after we went out to Argentina!

Everyone gets to the stage watching England when you just can't be bothered anymore.

 

[Eeyore]

I do still care, but agree with the opening view:

https://brightonlines.com/2016/06/28/sober-judgement/

 

[Nixonator]

It's astonishing that some are drawing some kind of convoluted parallels from last night's abject display on the pitch to brexit. Words utterly fail me.

I have supported England since Koeman yanked Platt down in qualification, escaped a red then went up the other end and scored. Since then I have always felt we have been very unlucky, in penalties, sendings off, in disallowed goals etc.

After last night though it has dawned on me that we are joke, compounded by the two tournaments before this one. Everyone is complaining about the 'overpaid players', i'd put this one on an thoroughly clueless manager and a massively out of touch FA.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Awful... Listening to LBC for the last hour. Several heartbreaking calls of people that are suffering racism.. Crying on the phone.

People deny that racist levels since brexit haven't increased have their head in the sand.

They probably haven't increased at all, most likely all the closet racists feel legitimised since the vote for brexit.

The rest of us need to stand together and show that it's not acceptable and that the majority of British people still want a good relationship with Europe and the rest of the world. What we shouldn't do though, is ignore why immigration is an issue for people in low paid jobs and simply label them as ignorant. It's not their fault. They've been let down by the politicians too. Now is the time to engage with people less fortunate then ourselves, it is not the time to sneer at them.

It's sad that people from other nations have been made to feel unwelcome by the result, I know my girlfriends parents have felt similar feelings and I guess it's easy to understand why if all they have seen is the campaign rhetoric from farage. They've lived here for 20 years and run a business, I haven't spoken to them yet but when I do I'll explain that on a personal level my vote was purely against the EU and what's it's become post Lisbon treaty, not people from other countries who come to work here. Most people I speak to at work have similar reasons, it's not about immigration for everybody.

 

[LU7 RED]

One of my friends, a Dutch guy who lectures at the Uni down here in Cornwall, was on a train from Birmingham to Manchester a couple of days ago. The guy with the drinks trolley going down the aisles was eastern European. Someone was buying a coffee when he suddenly hurled his coins at the ground, shouted at him to "pick it up and get out of the country, we had a vote, we're all British now". Other people around him stood up and joined in the abuse. My friend and his family switched carriages, who wants to get involved with that. These are not good times.

Then if this gets on social media - there's always an apologist saying that it was probably all made up etc.etc.

 

[Billy the Fish]

One other thing I've noticed in the aftermath of the vote, is that social media seems to be skewing peoples' perception of the general feeling at the moment.

It's mostly the media savvy middle classes and the under thirties who voted to remain and they're currently taking to social media running rings around anyone who legitimately voted to leave. The likes of VICE going round poor areas and finding people to make silly or racist comments is only stoking up the flames.

As I said before, now is the time to engage with each other, ignoring people is what's got us to this point.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I've never been so "not bothered" by an England football team exit from a major tournament. Maybe the doom and gloom surrounding the England football team has been amplified by the shockwaves after Brexit, but the fact remains apart from the football England - and the British - have still got so much to be proud of.

Just off the top of my head - Lewis Hamilton, Chris Froome and Team Sky, Andy Murray, the England rugby team, the England cricket team, the England Darts team, British gymnastics team, Jessica Ennis, Mo Farah, The British and Irish Lions, the Ryder Cup team and the list goes on.

The England football team doesn't deserve the attention it gets. While the FA remains the same it will carry on making the same mistakes over and over again, it is as inevitable as night following day. If you want a successful football team you start with real reform of the FA.

My 10-year old summed it up as ITV went to ads after the final whistle - "The England team SUCKS!"

On the one hand it feels that the England team have got really sh1t only in recent years but the reality is I had to wait until I was 18 before my first England knock-out victory - vs Paraguay in Mexico 1986.

 

[alfredmizen]

Then if this gets on social media - there's always an apologist saying that it was probably all made up etc.etc.

Yes, there's one here , I don't believe it at all, or if in the extremely unlikely event it did happen there is no way on earth that random people stood up and joined in the abuse.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Yes, there's one here , I don't believe it at all, or if in the extremely unlikely event it did happen there is no way on earth that random people stood up and joined in the abuse.

This is the EU referendum, anybody can believe whatever they want to believe. I believe what I've seen and heard and I believe the accounts of others I've met face-to-face.

 

[alfredmizen]

This is the EU referendum, anybody can believe whatever they want to believe. I believe what I've seen and heard and I believe the accounts of others I've met face-to-face.

Good for you, and this heart warming placard was confiscated from a remainer at a rally this week, good job it's only the leavers coming out with all the nastiness eh ?

 

[ManOfSussex]

Good for you, and this heart warming placard was confiscated from a remainer at a rally this week, good job it's only the leavers coming out with all the nastiness eh ? View attachment 76167

Did I say it was? This whole country is divided.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

All this wailing and gnashing of teeth is just pitiful. Won't happen overnight while there's all these Spitting Image caricature clowns hogging the limelight, but all things must pass. Including these clowns and this crappy crippling lack of national confidence. Don't like it? Make it better! There was life before EU membership and there will be life after EU membership.

 

[drew]

I've never been so "not bothered" by an England football team exit from a major tournament. Maybe the doom and gloom surrounding the England football team has been amplified by the shockwaves after Brexit, but the fact remains apart from the football England - and the British - have still got so much to be proud of.

Just off the top of my head - Lewis Hamilton, Chris Froome and Team Sky, Andy Murray, the England rugby team, the England cricket team, the England Darts team, British gymnastics team, Jessica Ennis, Mo Farah, The British and Irish Lions, the Ryder Cup team and the list goes on.

The England football team doesn't deserve the attention it gets. While the FA remains the same it will carry on making the same mistakes over and over again, it is as inevitable as night following day. If you want a successful football team you start with real reform of the FA.

My 10-year old summed it up as ITV went to ads after the final whistle - "The England team SUCKS!"

On the one hand it feels that the England team have got really sh1t only in recent years but the reality is I had to wait until I was 18 before my first England knock-out victory - vs Paraguay in Mexico 1986.

How exactly would you change the FA or are you just talking about a change of personnel?

 

[Two Professors]

Oh well,when Europe is one big happy-clappy family,you can all whinge about Europe losing to Brazil in the World Cup

 

[ozzygull]

I do still care, but agree with the opening view:

https://brightonlines.com/2016/06/28/sober-judgement/

England are the Sheffield Wednesday of Europe We do have their awful band playing as well.

 

[Cosmic Joker]

One of my friends, a Dutch guy who lectures at the Uni down here in Cornwall, was on a train from Birmingham to Manchester a couple of days ago. The guy with the drinks trolley going down the aisles was eastern European. Someone was buying a coffee when he suddenly hurled his coins at the ground, shouted at him to "pick it up and get out of the country, we had a vote, we're all British now". Other people around him stood up and joined in the abuse. My friend and his family switched carriages, who wants to get involved with that. These are not good times.

Shocking. Did they inform the conductor/"train manager" as to what happened? He/she could get the racists thrown off the train - after confirming the incident with the trolley attendant - and even arrange for them to be met by BTP at the next station if available.

 

[Pavilionaire]

How exactly would you change the FA or are you just talking about a change of personnel?

The FA have singularly failed to organise themselves so that they put the success of the England men's football team at the top of their agenda. They consistently fail to select the right people to make this happen. From Revie to Greenwood to Taylor to Hoddle, McLaren and now Hodgson they default to "club men". Gareth Southgate is the favourite to replace Roy - it will be more of the same.

When they did go looking for a foreign manager they didn't really think about it - they just threw money at it.

They need a panel to look at the squad, the Under-21s, assess the type of manager that is required to get the best out of the group, then draw up a realistic list of candidates. This may seem obvious, but the fact the FA knew Hodgson's contract was up and yet Southgate is the man most likely now is an indication that they haven't actually sat down and planned for Hodgson's successor. Arguably, they should have been doing this a year ago and should have pinned down their man already.

It was embarrassing listening to Dixon, Wright and Crouch discussing this last night - nobody has got a clue who might take over. This morning I hear the names of Allardyce and Pardew being bandied about, simply because they're English and have managed in the Prem. Good God, have we learned absolutely nothing since Sir Alf left the post more than 40 years ago?