[Politics] Brexit

[sydney]

There are the folk who voted 'Leave' to give the establishment a kick up the backside.

The problem is that some did it thinking that 'Leave' couldn't actually win.

very much so ..!!

 

[jimhigham]

and that is the worrying thing isn't it........there are bound to be a few instances of this sort of behaviour with such a large population involved but surely anyone who working and paying tax should not be the target of such misplaced vitriol , anyone with half a brain surely should realise that the burden placed by non-european migrants who refuse to work and rely on welfare for their income far out weighs the burden of european workers.....the problem has come from the insistance of the eu that the refugee/migrant problem must be shared throughout the region....the actions of merkel in allowing 10,000's to travel half way across europe was a catastrophic points scoring exercise that has back-fired horrendously through out the region.......britain is more or less under seige at the moment from a perceived "enemy at the gate"........this is the problem that needed addressing , also the weeding out of those who are a massive burden on our system whilst plotting it's demise....there may not be as many of them as we are led to believe , maybe less than 5000 , but these are the ones that need to be removed......furthermore the perceived notion that england's dealings with the eu are not fair and equitable has not helped the remain vote at all.......Britain has been sold a massive dummy here , with one of the main champions of the leave vote admitting , within 48 hours that he can't deliver what he said he could............can't help thinking that a lot of people voted out just to register their displeasure at the current situation without really considering that the overall out vote would be successful.

Never mind all that. WHO is the lady in your avatar?

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Never mind all that. WHO is the lady in your avatar?

Someone with a bad silicone boob job by the looks of things!

 

[OzMike]

No going back.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

What I think is disgusting is the people who are going around blaming Leave voters, when they should be moaning at the banking system who started this rot, the politicians for not supporting people, and the EU. All three are the reason why we are in this position today. People are feeling left behind and when they say the gap is getting bigger between rich and poor it is so true.

Some people just don't understand what it is like to fall off the conveyor belt, and how hard it is to get back on. The economy has changed, it works for people at the top, it works for the people who have migrated to this country where the wages are 5-6 times as much and start with a clean slate, but it has seriously failed those of us in the middle. We can't move forward.

The whole thing is a joke, and yet I look around and we have houses for sale 500,000k. It doesn't make sense anymore.

 

[heathgate]

If (and we've yet to see what will happen) that's the way the EU are, I'm bloody glad we voted out.

If they don't want others to leave, they need to reform.

If the EU suddenly pops up and delivers a range of the reforms that Britain was looking for originally, that would be a justification for the UK to halt it's declaration.....or pause at least... it would present tricky legal arguments.

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[heathgate]

The % of registered voters actually voting by age range ( Sky Data

18-24: 36%
25-34: 58%
35-44: 72%
45-54: 75%
55-64: 81%
65+: 83%

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[El Presidente]

Just one more question to all the remainers on here who are talking as if the world is coming to an end. How many of you run your own businesses? As there is clearly no hope for us, I assume you are going to close down, sell-up or move the business to within the confines of the EU.

I run my own consultancy in my spare time. I employ one person full time and one part time in addition to my own input.

A lot of the work is overseas, part in the EU and part out.

I prefer the EU work as when someone steals my IP (as happened in China) there's a system of redress, there's no institutional bribery and corruption which has resulted in me being denied a visa (as happens in Russia) and it is easier to recover outstanding debts (I'm owed monies outstanding for three years from Barbados and the legal process there is one of patronage and cronyism).

Ultimately I'll make a judgement call on wherever I choose to work.

There's no noticeable burden of red tape from the EU though for me apart from in theory the working time directive, but I would never ask anyone to work more than 48 hours a week anyway.

 

[BadFish]

What I think is disgusting is the people who are going around blaming Leave voters, when they should be moaning at the banking system who started this rot, the politicians for not supporting people, and the EU. All three are the reason why we are in this position today. People are feeling left behind and when they say the gap is getting bigger between rich and poor it is so true.

Absolutely right, i don't often agree with you but if this thing is going to work then this has to be addressed. The people that voted leave are not to blame, they have expressed their opinion now need to be listened to. The next UK government needs to be one that represents these people, their concerns and their frustrations.

Sadly the UK doesn't have the best track record of voting for such a government.

 

[Pretty Plnk Fairy]

Ive made a batch of Breksit blackberry jam and I will be selling it at the racecourse market today with nothing going to the eu. I have added 50p to the price of a jar as its a comemorrartive one off and could be worth a fourtune on Antiques roadshow in the future

Regards

DR

 

[El Presidente]

Bit of a double edged sword this post.
whilst normaltons would agree with you its democracy so stop trying to change it,

However Brexiters do see the benefits in globalisation (but not at the cost of loss of sovereignty or democracy in this unique EU model + a raft of other stuff.....see long thread)
Brexiters also see the benefits of free trade,didnt you notice people talking about hopefully setting up free trade agreements with countries over the globe free from the shackles of the EU?
You seriously going to say Brexiters voted against this idea?. They just simply voted against free trade with the EU which came at a cost attached again of losing sovereignty and democracy,and allowing free movement. brexiters simply believed these loss of controls was too high a price to pay.

You started well but then reverted to throwing an illogical unfounded hissy with false claims

have a gin and freedom tonic and relax chap,i havnt stopped since since victory

There's no hissy.

I live in the North West, Blackpool and Burnley were the two towns worth the largest percentage of leave votes. The vox pop on the local TV and radio when interviewing voters all brought up the subjects I mentioned.

If you are in a town such as Blackpool that has one of the shortest life expectancies in the country, crippling poverty and high unemployment then what has globalisation, free trade and (especially) migration done for you?

It's the same in the USA, where real wages for the working class have not increased for 40 years, and partly explains the popularity of Trump, blaming it on big business, Mexicans and Islam.


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[El Presidente]

Yes, idiots, i made sure i took my own pen in case there was no lead in my pencil...............

I can get you some Viagra from the back of a lorry for that mate.

 

[El Presidente]

The only way that will happen is if Scotland vote to independence,get their own currency and re apply for EU membership.....The Scots are forever edging toward a Brexit of the UK..

That could cause border control issues. If only someone had built a long wall to separate the Scots from England...........


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[Deleted member 22389]

Absolutely right, i don't often agree with you but if this thing is going to work then this has to be addressed. The people that voted leave are not to blame, they have expressed their opinion now need to be listened to. The next UK government needs to be one that represents these people, their concerns and their frustrations.

Sadly the UK doesn't have the best track record of voting for such a government.

It has had to take a result like this for our politicians to hopefully wake up and see their own errors. If you don't have anyone guiding you, then eventually everything comes off the rails.

 

[El Presidente]

The decision has been made, there's a huge amount of hard work ahead, time to knuckle down and get on with it.

I didn't vote leave but that's irrelevant, in a democracy you should respect the decision. Calling for a second vote is just being a bad loser, it's a bit like trying to unshag someone when you had beer goggles on the previous night.


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[heathgate]

Same here, I was more interested in getting drunk at the weekends and having a good time. Didn't care a stuff for politics.

So it appears did the current registered 18-24 year olds ... as only 36% of them bothered to get out of bed and vote.... so much for them being politically engaged.

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[Diego Napier]

If the 400 odd dedicated remainers in Parliament decide to act against the clear will of the British people, we could be leading to blood on the streets as democracy breaks down,

"As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood". That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect. Indeed, it has all but come. In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the century. Only resolute and urgent action will avert it even now. Whether there will be the public will to demand and obtain that action, I do not know. All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal."

Aha! You are Enoch Powell, I claim my £5!

 

[heathgate]

My mother regrets voting leave.

She actually believed that the £350 million per week would be spent on the NHS. I did tell her at the time she was living in cloudcuckooland if she thought a hard right Tory governement would spend a penny of any money saved from leaving the EU on health care, but she chose to believe Boris, Gove and Farage over me.

They could have waited longer than 90 minutes after the result was known to puncture her illusions.

I suspect that even if 10% of that figure gets put back directly into the NHS.. 1.8 billion per annum.... there are going to be some happy hospital administrators around the country...... by the way.. we only stop paying the EU once the whole exit deal is signed off and implemented.

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[The Fifth Column]

This is a very fair point to make. And as a remainer, I've met many leavers who have argued the same. Unfortunately, most of their arguments have eventually, when dissected, boiled down to reasons relating to immigration and racial conflicts, because most people who claim to have voted to leave because they're anti-EU are actually ignorant about the EU.

However, there are undoubtedly anti-EU reasons out there, which, had they been the focus of the leave campaign and been discussed with any integrity and truth, that I could have understood people getting on board with. In the balance of things, I'd have probably still voted remain, but I totally get that there are logical political, economic and social discussions regarding the EU that could've been used by the leavers, as none of us are pretending the EU, like our own system, is perfect.

So I say this in a very genuine way (partly because I've been subjected to so much ignorance and racial hatred from leavers during this referendum and I need to try and understand where at least some leavers are coming from), but can you please explain what your anti-EU reasons for voting leave were?

I'll be more than happy to later and engage in some meaningful debate but right now I'm just finishing a night shift so need my ZZZzz's

 

[DataPoint]

I started this thread in order to gauge others views on the certainty of the British peoples decision to leave the EU. In view of the parliamentary petition story, it looks as though this is going to be a defining viewpoint.

In the meantime chaos is turning into crisis - which proves the importance of this decision being valid and robust - and bad feeeling is rife.

Just for the record I'm 72, been voting centre right since the seventies and voted to Leave. I used every ounce of logic, information and experience I possess in order to make an informed decision.

So I got the result I wanted, I'm just not happy with the margin as I don't believe enough people were as convinced as I was and let's be honest, many peoples reasons were muddled.

Unfortunately, judging by the response, most people couldn't care a toss - not a great sign of the extreme sophistication desirable at a time like this and when the weaker side of democracy is revealed.