[Politics] Brexit

[pastafarian]

I don't think anyone has said anything of the sort,

Really?
no one has said we can implement a points based tier immigration policy on EU nationals to limit the number of EU nationals coming in?

It's possible to introduce any tiering system you like to any nationals you want - should you wish, and should you have pockets deep enough to fund the tiering system you want.
So, how, if introduced, would such a tiering system help the UK economy if implemented for EU nationals?

do you have a doppelgänger?

 

[Hamilton]

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[Hamilton]

Really?
no one has said we can implement a points based tier immigration policy on EU nationals to limit the number of EU nationals coming in?



do you have a doppelgänger?

As I say. Carry on being obtuse. You just make yourself look silly.

Read it again. It's possible to introduce a tiering system. We haven't. As a member state of the EU we have decided not to.


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[portslade seagull]

No doubt they are all scanning the FT which of course is totally unbiased for the next scare story

 

[Hamilton]

Really?
no one has said we can implement a points based tier immigration policy on EU nationals to limit the number of EU nationals coming in?



do you have a doppelgänger?

And perhaps you'll get round to answering the question I asked you this morning. What is the economic advantage of applying a tiering system to EU nationals?


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[Soulman]

Except we aren't are we. There are more jobs available than there people to fill them.

So why is there doom and gloom and constant blaming of Brexit for the "downturn" in our economy........ supposedly.

 

[Hamilton]

No doubt they are all scanning the FT which of course is totally unbiased for the next scare story

Of course, the FT is written by ill educated idiots isn't it? I actually think the FT has been quite balanced. It leans towards Remain, but has argued for reform consistently.


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[Hamilton]

So why is there doom and gloom and constant blaming of Brexit for the "downturn" in our economy........ supposedly.

Because leaving would be bad for the economy. What do you want? A happy angle on that?


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[portslade seagull]

Because leaving would be bad for the economy. What do you want? A happy angle on that?


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Can you explain how will be £4300 worse off if we vote out because no other remainer can. It all seems to be what ifs and Maybe and nothing concrete in other words a load of tosh

 

[pastafarian]

And perhaps you'll get round to answering the question I asked you this morning. What is the economic advantage of applying a tiering system to EU nationals?


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As it standsYou cant apply a tiering system to EU Nationals,you cant apply quotas to EU nationals,you cant apply a points based system to EU nationals,there is no mechanism to limit the number of EU nationals entering the country........because we do not have that level of control of our borders.
You carry on believing in some sort of parallel universe that we CAN do these things

Its an utterly pointless question
you might as well ask will we finish Top 6 or Bottom 6 in the Premier League next season

 

[Hamilton]

As it standsYou cant apply a tiering system to EU Nationals,you cant apply quotas to EU nationals,you cant apply a points based system to EU nationals,there is no mechanism to limit the number of EU nationals entering the country........because we do not have that level of control of our borders.
You carry on believing in some sort of parallel universe that we CAN do these things

Its an utterly pointless question
you might as well ask will we finish Top 6 or Bottom 6 in the Premier League next season

It's THE critical question, and you are not answering it.

 

[looney]

It's THE critical question, and you are not answering it.

Because the question is economic illiterate. Its like asking how many bales of hay you need to make a cheesecake.

To start you are asking what gains are there from a tool used to avoid losses, or negative effects. It sounds like you don't know what you are talking about.

The "gains" from a teiring system is that you limit adverse effects. If you dont know what they are you haven't been listening to the most basic points of the issue.

It really is taking the piss jumping into a topic you don't have the understanding of the basic points. Demanding to know what they are in a back to front manner after 200 pages of discourse.

 

[El Presidente]

Because the question is economic illiterate. Its like asking how many bales of hay you need to make a cheesecake.

To start you are asking what gains are there from a tool used to avoid losses, or negative effects. It sounds like you don't know what you are talking about.

The "gains" from a teiring system is that you limit adverse effects. If you dont know what they are you haven't been listening to the most basic points of the issue.

It really is taking the piss jumping into a topic you don't have the understanding of the basic points. Demanding to know what they are in a back to front manner after 200 pages of discourse.

Who decides on the points needed? Self serving career politicians? Bureaucrats?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

The floodgates are open I'm afraid. Once the millions of refugees, economic migrants get European Citizenship in the future that gives them unrestricted access to our jobs market and benefits system. There has to be a tipping point to this at the end. In the future there will be so many people going for jobs in this country, it will be the British people who will lose out in the end and unemployment levels will go up, not down.

Imagine this hasn't effected the Remainers yet, especially the politicians. I would love it if we could replace the politicians with cheaper alternatives and see how they like it. The attitude would soon change.

I have experienced being turfed out of a job for cheaper alternatives, what made it worse for me, as I was leaving the building I saw agency workers coming the other way. Not one of those workers where British. Not surprised that 6 months later the company folded, due to inexperience of employing people without proper Engineering / Manufacturing skills.

 

[cunning fergus]

So they twist the figures in every conceivable way to make it look negative, and find that the impact of migrants is at worse neutral

"In another important finding, the new research said immigrants who have arrived since 2001 – including hundreds of thousands of arrivals from the eastern European countries which joined the EU from 2004 – had been “cost neutral” to Britain."

Staggering.

Does the analysis capture all aspects of migrants impact in the UK, for example there are over 14,000 foreigners in prison, which is an obvious drain on the UK taxpayer?

Take these 2 with their undoubted contribution to the tax pot generated from the very important industries of gardening and labouring........has their likely significant financial contribution been offset by what the taxpayer has to provide to deal with their crimes? The cost of investigating, prosecuting and custodial sentences..........and can you assign the financial cost to the victims for their crime?

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You are obsessed with economics, so what do you think we should take off the "contribution" off migrants when some are convicted of serious crime?

What do you reckon £500k for a rape, maybe £1m for a murder?

 

[Hamilton]

Because the question is economic illiterate. Its like asking how many bales of hay you need to make a cheesecake.

To start you are asking what gains are there from a tool used to avoid losses, or negative effects. It sounds like you don't know what you are talking about.

The "gains" from a teiring system is that you limit adverse effects. If you dont know what they are you haven't been listening to the most basic points of the issue.

It really is taking the piss jumping into a topic you don't have the understanding of the basic points. Demanding to know what they are in a back to front manner after 200 pages of discourse.

Goodness me, getting an answer on this is like extracting a direct answer from a politician on Question Time.

Ok, let me rephrase it. What are the advantages to the UK, economic or otherwise, of introducing a tier-based system to EU nationals?


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[Hamilton]

Does the analysis capture all aspects of migrants impact in the UK, for example there are over 14,000 foreigners in prison, which is an obvious drain on the UK taxpayer?

Take these 2 with their undoubted contribution to the tax pot generated from the very important industries of gardening and labouring........has their likely significant financial contribution been offset by what the taxpayer has to provide to deal with their crimes? The cost of investigating, prosecuting and custodial sentences..........and can you assign the financial cost to the victims for their crime?

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1450...ually_abusing_12_schoolgirls/#comments-anchor

You are obsessed with economics, so what do you think we should take off the "contribution" off migrants when some are convicted of serious crime?

What do you reckon £500k for a rape, maybe £1m for a murder?

Can't believe you are exploiting the victims of these crimes to pursue your own agenda.

There are examples of disgusting Brits that travel to far off places to commit sexual crimes. Bad apples show up everywhere.

Get back to the issues and stop picking up individual cases in an attempt to wield your axe. It doesn't work.


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[Hamilton]

Can you explain how will be £4300 worse off if we vote out because no other remainer can. It all seems to be what ifs and Maybe and nothing concrete in other words a load of tosh

It's a mathematical equation isn't it. If the economy contracted by 6% and that was split across every household in the UK then £4300 would be the share. It's common to see that language used. Would you be £4300 worse off? Well that depends how well off you are at the moment. Either way, that amount of cash disappearing out of the economy isn't good for any of us.

I hope that helps.


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[Deleted member 22389]

Does the analysis capture all aspects of migrants impact in the UK, for example there are over 14,000 foreigners in prison, which is an obvious drain on the UK taxpayer?

Take these 2 with their undoubted contribution to the tax pot generated from the very important industries of gardening and labouring........has their likely significant financial contribution been offset by what the taxpayer has to provide to deal with their crimes? The cost of investigating, prosecuting and custodial sentences..........and can you assign the financial cost to the victims for their crime?

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1450...ually_abusing_12_schoolgirls/#comments-anchor

You are obsessed with economics, so what do you think we should take off the "contribution" off migrants when some are convicted of serious crime?

What do you reckon £500k for a rape, maybe £1m for a murder?

They shouldn't have been let in to this country in the first place, that's the failure of our own border policy, but what if these type of people come through the European route, that is the problem. They can just stroll in, unrestricted.

 

[5ways]

Home Office Minister James Brokenshire said by being in the EU the UK was able to tackle cross-border crime, saying it had refused entry to almost 6,000 European Economic Area nationals since 2010.
He said the European Arrest Warrant had enabled people fleeing crimes in the UK to be brought to justice and said a vote to leave the EU "would bring inevitable uncertainty" in the fight against criminals "on the lookout for weakness and vulnerability".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35915930

What you're saying is we need better cross-border information sharing to track dangerous criminals. Yes this looks like something the EU assist with. See Europol, which we would have to leave and rejoin