'MSM' avoidance of real reasons for avoidance re Calais Jungle.

[The Rivet]

Why are the main media outlets refusing to say that the real reason for refusal to take up new accommodation in Calais is because FINGER PRINTS are required before entry? They are NOT scared, bullied or threatened. Other than they know we could return them to France (at the moment). They are cunning, duplicitous (the migrants) and the media is pathetic,

Edit: I posted here immediately to stop the bother 'bumping' it to other stuff would cause the mods/censors.

 

[Hastings gull]

Why are the main media outlets refusing to say that the real reason for refusal to take up new accommodation in Calais is because FINGER PRINTS are required before entry? They are NOT scared, bullied or threatened. Other than they know we could return them to France (at the moment). They are cunning, duplicitous (the migrants) and the media is pathetic,
Edit: I posted here immediately to stop the bother 'bumping' it to other stuff would cause the mods/censors.

Having experienced how East German TV worked for many years and how easy it is to give a false impression, this does not surprise me, sadly. I am sure that it happens here and we are at the mercy of how TV folk wish to "angle" matters. Two nights ago, the chap who wanted to smuggle that little girl into the country was presented as a saint who wanted to give this deserving child a better life, and though his actions were foolish, I suppose it was hard not to feel some sort of empathy towards someone who was going to bring her up. Last night during the court case, it emerged that he was delivering the girl from one part of the Afghan family in Calais to another in England and that there were two other people in his van. This tells a very different story and it is all too tempting to ponder as to whether the parents then stuck in Calais would use the absence of their daughter to hound the British authorities to gain entry.

 

[BadFish]

Surely the only way to know any of this stuff for sure is to process people's claims?

Perhaps working with the French government to find a solution.

 

[pastafarian]

Surely the only way to know any of this stuff for sure is to process people's claims?

Perhaps working with the French government to find a solution.

Think you are missing the point fishy,we are working with the French to solve the problem of the jungle.
Us and the French have gone to great joint expense in setting up safe/secure migrant centres near Calais to alleviate the problem of the jungle

To gain access to the centres in France you have to put in a claim for asylum,which would mean your details including fingerprints being registered as an asylum seeker in France. Oddly enough the intake is verging on zero. Why......because when they get into the UK illegally they dont want any fingerprint record of already
claiming asylum in France which would find them immediately deported

 

[BadFish]

Think you are missing the point fishy,we are working with the French to solve the problem of the jungle.
Us and the French have gone to great joint expense in setting up safe/secure migrant centres near Calais to alleviate the problem of the jungle

To gain access to the centres in France you have to put in a claim for asylum,which would mean your details including fingerprints being registered as an asylum seeker in France. Oddly enough the intake is verging on zero. Why......because when they get into the UK illegally they dont want any fingerprint record of already
claiming asylum in France which would find them immediately deported

Sounds like I have. Thanks for the info. I didn't know about the migrant centres. Sounds like an interesting step forward (the wrong phrase by the sounds of it but you know what I mean) I will look into it.

 

[pastafarian]

Edit: I posted here immediately to stop the bother 'bumping' it to other stuff would cause the mods/censors.

Probably the way forward,the migration chaos,EU,extremism,terrorism are at the forefront of the most discussed topics in the UK at the moment and are now never away from the news. I can understand the mods not wanting these topics swamping the big board,unfortunately the policy of shifting these topics to the other section rightly or wrongly gives the impression someone doesnt want a certain issue discussed especially when you dont know why or who is moving threads which only adds to more suspicion

Its only a handful of people not hundreds spoiling these threads,i cant understand why they simply arnt banned from a thread,then the thread merged into one uber thread with the half dozen or so culprits always facing eternal bandom.

Ive had my two cents with [MENTION=31]El Presidente[/MENTION] on this issue and i half see his point,i just think he is wrong(and watches too much porn)

 

[pastafarian]

Sounds like I have. Thanks for the info. I didn't know about the migrant centres. Sounds like an interesting step forward (the wrong phrase by the sounds of it but you know what I mean) I will look into it.

If you are going to look into it spare some looking also for the poor European lorry drivers who are running a gauntlet when just trying to do their job.The videos on youtube are shocking.
I came back through Calais last week,mostly things are running smoothly but there are small gangs at every junction just waiting for a bit of a log jam and the opportunity to break into a lorry. There now seems to be a secure lorry park,i guess where the drivers can rest up before going cross channel at junction 49 with a high fence,we passed it at 4pm and the Police were scrapping with people trying to climb the fence into the lorry park......apart from seeming to be an utterly daft option by the seekers it just emphasises how lawless the place is

 

[El Presidente]

,i just think he is wrong(and watches too much porn)

There is no such thing as too much porn.

 

[pastafarian]

There is no such thing as too much porn.

 

[heathgate]

Surely the only way to know any of this stuff for sure is to process people's claims?

Perhaps working with the French government to find a solution.

This makes me laugh, stop with the drab ill informed comment from the other side of the world.

Just to put the record straight the British, French and EU authorities have been working at it for many years now..... since before the Sangette debacle...... the facts are clear, they want the UK, they want it because the system here is more generous.....simple.

They have crossed a dozen SAFE countries before they get here, putting the label 'fleeing persecution, seeking safety' in the trash can as far as cause and effect is concerned.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Probably the way forward,the migration chaos,EU,extremism,terrorism are at the forefront of the most discussed topics in the UK at the moment and are now never away from the news. I can understand the mods not wanting these topics swamping the big board,unfortunately the policy of shifting these topics to the other section rightly or wrongly gives the impression someone doesnt want a certain issue discussed especially when you dont know why or who is moving threads which only adds to more suspicion

Its only a handful of people not hundreds spoiling these threads,i cant understand why they simply arnt banned from a thread,then the thread merged into one uber thread with the half dozen or so culprits always facing eternal bandom.

Ive had my two cents with [MENTION=31]El Presidente[/MENTION] on this issue and i half see his point,i just think he is wrong(and watches too much porn)

I don't think there is 'a policy' as sometimes a thread on these issues lasts for days with some Mods contributing opinions but on other occasions they barely last an hour despite having similar content. If only one or even two individuals are responsible for continually binning the vast majority of these threads then it would possibly indicate personal bias is a factor.

Perhaps it is best to remember this is a football forum and although wider topics add some interest it isn't really setup to discuss the most serious ongoing political challenges especially the more controversial issues.

 

[alfredmizen]

This makes me laugh, stop with the drab ill informed comment from the other side of the world.

Just to put the record straight the British, French and EU authorities have been working at it for many years now..... since before the Sangette debacle...... the facts are clear, they want the UK, they want it because the system here is more generous.....simple.

They have crossed a dozen SAFE countries before they get here, putting the label 'fleeing persecution, seeking safety' in the trash can as far as cause and effect is concerned.

This^^^^ ADL.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Another green light for the illeagals to make the effort , maybe when they've entered the containers they can be put on a lorry and shipped out of France
regards
DR

 

[Soulman]

Think you are missing the point fishy,we are working with the French to solve the problem of the jungle.
Us and the French have gone to great joint expense in setting up safe/secure migrant centres near Calais to alleviate the problem of the jungle

To gain access to the centres in France you have to put in a claim for asylum,which would mean your details including fingerprints being registered as an asylum seeker in France. Oddly enough the intake is verging on zero. Why......because when they get into the UK illegally they dont want any fingerprint record of already
claiming asylum in France which would find them immediately deported

Well this lot don't help. Nuisances.

HARD-LEFT British activists who stir up trouble in Calais' migrant camps should be kicked out of France, the port city's deputy mayor has said.
Philippe Mignonet called on UK officials to help clamp down on liberal activists using migrants for "political reasons".
He said: “The English government, who know who these activists are, should treat them as hooligans and not allow them to leave the country.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/635206/Calais-chief-hard-left-activists-should-be-kicked-out

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Well this lot don't help. Nuisances.

HARD-LEFT British activists who stir up trouble in Calais' migrant camps should be kicked out of France, the port city's deputy mayor has said.
Philippe Mignonet called on UK officials to help clamp down on liberal activists using migrants for "political reasons".
He said: “The English government, who know who these activists are, should treat them as hooligans and not allow them to leave the country.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/635206/Calais-chief-hard-left-activists-should-be-kicked-out

I'm fed up with watching on the news British Do gooders in France championing for these illegals ,are they really speaking for the British people in general, I dont think so
regards
DR

 

[BadFish]

Well this lot don't help. Nuisances.

HARD-LEFT British activists who stir up trouble in Calais' migrant camps should be kicked out of France, the port city's deputy mayor has said.
Philippe Mignonet called on UK officials to help clamp down on liberal activists using migrants for "political reasons".
He said: “The English government, who know who these activists are, should treat them as hooligans and not allow them to leave the country.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/635206/Calais-chief-hard-left-activists-should-be-kicked-out

And there was me thinking that it is the looney left that are always trying to stop people behaving as they see fit.

The article doesn't really go in to much detail but surely people can only be stopped in leaving the country if they have broken some laws?

This article asks far more questions than it answers, i would say shoddy journalism but i think it knowingly does exactly what it intends to.

 

[BadFish]

I'm fed up with watching on the news British Do gooders in France championing for these illegals ,are they really speaking for the British people in general, I dont think so
regards
DR

Bloody do gooders, going around doing good all the time

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Don't know how anyone could support what is going on in Calais when:

1) They are threatening lorry drivers, throwing stones and rocks, trying to break in to lorries on a daily basis
2) They try to break in to the tunnel and cross borders illegally
3) They cost our and French government millions of pounds in security every year, yet our own services get slashed over here
4) They crossed other countries and could have taken claimed Asylum there, but decide to sit it out in Calais because nowhere else is good enough for them
5) A large proportion are not actually Refugees at all, but economic migrants using the current crisis as an excuse

The list goes on doesn't it.

 

[BadFish]

Don't know how anyone could support what is going on in Calais when:

1) They are threatening lorry drivers, throwing stones and rocks, trying to break in to lorries on a daily basis
2) They try to break in to the tunnel and cross borders illegally
3) They cost our and French government millions of pounds in security every year, yet our own services get slashed over here
4) They crossed other countries and could have taken claimed Asylum there, but decide to sit it out in Calais because nowhere else is good enough for them
5) A large proportion are not actually Refugees at all, but economic migrants using the current crisis as an excuse

The list goes on doesn't it.

If you are intersted you could have a look at their web pages, the answers are all there.

https://leedsnoborders.wordpress.com/faq-on-migration-asylum-calais/

https://calaismigrantsolidarity.wordpress.com/introduction-to-calais/

Disclaimer - The fact that i have posted these links does not mean i agree with everything that they are saying.

Additional info from the Guardian may demonstrate why people don't see it as you do.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/10/10-truths-about-europes-refugee-crisis

 

[pastafarian]

If you are intersted you could have a look at their web pages, the answers are all there.

https://leedsnoborders.wordpress.com/faq-on-migration-asylum-calais/

https://calaismigrantsolidarity.wordpr ess.com/introduction-to-calais/

Disclaimer - The fact that i have posted these links does not mean i agree with everything that they are saying.

Additional info from the Guardian may demonstrate why people don't see it as you do.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/10/10-truths-about-europes-refugee-crisis

do these articles excuse the attacks on lorry drivers?

do they address the new recent development in calais that migrants on discovering that a lorry is not suitable for hiding in have started to loot the contents instead.

sorry fishy you are seriously out of touch of what is happening around calais,this was uploaded last week



its quite common now.......why should people,tourists or truck drivers be subjected to this level of intimidation