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Are you saying his interventions with the IRA helped create peace?
Here comes Jeremy...
Just been watching the debate live, Corbyn barely able to complete his speech due to constant Tory heckling. Disgusting behaviour.
What has happened to Alan Duncan ....................
If we want to destroy the ISIS heartland why not bomb Brussels? It's a lot closer too so think of the cost savings on fuel.
a knighthood. It's Sir Alan Duncan now.
Nor do you to be fair.
Cameron wasn't great but Corbyn was shambolic. The reason the Tories heckled him was his deliberate avoidance in answering the point about bombing in Iraq. Corbyn's position is don't bomb ISIS in Syria or Iraq despite parliament already voting in favour by a vast majority.
It would be ironic if Labour MPs voting for bombing make the difference here. Why the hell did they elect Corbyn if they weren't prepared to back him?
They didn't.It would be ironic if Labour MPs voting for bombing make the difference here. Why the hell did they elect Corbyn if they weren't prepared to back him?
What a f*cking shambles.
If the NSC poll is anything to go by - and I don't see why it isn't - then 64% of people are against bombing ISIS targets in Syria. Cameron is in the minority and the Tory government could lose a vote in the house AGAIN. Labour have elected as leader someone who is against the bombing in Syria and therefore they should be scoring major political points whilst representing the majority of UK voters, an opportunity to come across as the party of the people AND a party of peace. Instead it is another dog's dinner from Labour as the leadership grant a free vote.
It would be ironic if Labour MPs voting for bombing make the difference here. Why the hell did they elect Corbyn if they weren't prepared to back him?
Actually I know about a lot more than you. Ask a higher ranking police/defense commander. He can't tell you exactly for fear of losing his job but he will have a grave look on his face.
Cheers JC,
Nice to have a decent exchange of opinions!
The situation in Iraq is different in a number of ways, firstly there’s a ground force which is operating along with the air strikes. I’m not convinced that we have that in Syria. The targets presented by an army stretching into a new territory (as in Iraq) will differ greatly from one bedded in a territory they hold (as in the regions of Syria occupied). The RAF was involved in 8% of the strikes in Iraq, so perhaps they focused on ones where civilian casualties were less likely?
In terms of justifiable intervention – I’ve yet to hear an argument which draws a positive response for me on this. I’d need to know why our capabilities were specifically needed above those already engaged there. For example, when France responded following the Paris attack they simply snatched the target list off the Americans, the point being they just hit targets which were already going to be hit. They didn’t add anything extra. I understood that they needed and were required to respond, but in terms of pure military value they didn’t add much to what was going on.
You can only intervene once, it’s a line crossed and I have yet to understand what will happen afterwards. Assuming that our airstrikes can do something no others can in the region and we defeat ISIS through it. What then? Support the FSA? (not the nicest of folk). I’m reminded of the age old US policy of supporting or backing a rebellious movement because they were handy at the time, it’s continually failed them. Ironically ISIS were one such group that the US originally backed, trained and armed.
What a f*cking shambles.
If the NSC poll is anything to go by - and I don't see why it isn't - then 64% of people are against bombing ISIS targets in Syria. Cameron is in the minority and the Tory government could lose a vote in the house AGAIN. Labour have elected as leader someone who is against the bombing in Syria and therefore they should be scoring major political points whilst representing the majority of UK voters, an opportunity to come across as the party of the people AND a party of peace. Instead it is another dog's dinner from Labour as the leadership grant a free vote.
It would be ironic if Labour MPs voting for bombing make the difference here. Why the hell did they elect Corbyn if they weren't prepared to back him?
Sake. What a farce the honours system is.
Sir Gerald Kaufman up now
You make some interesting points but I still can't see any military logic in only bombing ISIS in Iraq.