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dingodan

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The arrest took place on Thursday the 5th, when during a routine inspection police investigated a car driven by a 51-year-old Montenegrin man as he drove west on the major Autobahn-8 road, shortly after crossing the border from Austria. When officers found two handguns and a grenade under the bonnet of the car, the search intensified, and they soon discovered a significant hidden arsenal.

Also secreted about the car behind panels were eight Kalashnikov assault rifles with ammunition, several handguns, two hand grenades, and 200 grams of TNT, reports Bayerischer Rundfunk.

The car wasn’t only being driven west. Bavarian interior minister Joachim Herrmann has confirmed that based on “the data of the man’s [GPS] navigation system, and his cell phone there is strong evidence that the man wanted to go to France”. German media have reported he specifically had Paris programmed into his sat-nav.

The Bavarian prime minister Horst Seehofer confirmed German security services believe the arrested individual may have been related to the terror cell who killed over 120 across Paris on Friday evening.

From the moment he was arrested the suspect has maintained total silence and hasn’t even taken a lawyer, reports Focus.de. German police will now be under pressure if it transpires they failed to gather intelligence from the suspect that could have helped French terror police foil last night’s attacks in Paris.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...-ak-47s-grenades-tnt-paris-programmed-satnav/
 


Eeyore

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well if its not a christian orientated country what is it
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DR

You're not answering my question. And you are not the first. Even 'Christian Orientated' tells me that you are saying that we are of, and guided by, our devotion to Christianity.

So we return to the question. What do you mean by Christian ?
 


Eeyore

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Well, how about for a start, not a Muslim!

I'll agree on that. But so many seem to use this phrase, but none seem to provide an explanation for it.

We are not a Muslim country, and until someone explains why we are 'Christian' I don't see us as that either.

I would suggest 'secular' is probably the best generic description of summary.
 
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Eeyore

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No, I don't think you would. Your belief systems, whatever they are, are too firmly entrenched to consider any others.

I don't understand. How can a person's belief systems be described as intransigent when they can't even be identified.
 








LamieRobertson

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Somehow I doubt that. Sleep on.

Really? ...just because a person doesn't agree with your views it means they are asleep? How strange

Any ways right now my thoughts are with the people who have lost there lives and the loved ones they've left behind ...that's reality not just opinion...and I'll leave it there
 
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Tyrone Biggums

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I'll agree on that. But so many seem to use this phrase, but none seem to provide an explanation for it.

We are not a Muslim country, and until someone explains why we are 'Christian' I don't see us as that either.

I would suggest 'secular' is probably the best generic description of summary.

The head of your nation is also the head of a church. A Christian church no less.

There are many examples of the relationship between the established Church and the State.

Archbishops and bishops are appointed by The Queen on the advice of the Prime Minister, who considers the names selected by a Church Commission. They take an oath of allegiance to The Queen on appointment and may not resign without Royal authority.

That is not what secular states do.
 


BadFish

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you seem to be advocating state sponsored assasination based on suspicion. killing dozens of people for mere talk and bravado in most cases. are you sure? im not sure those you want to carry this out signed up for that either, not in our green fields at least. im becoming disappointed by views like this, especially by those not usually hard right/racists. its seems they the terrorists and jihadis are winning the propaganda war, if we suspend process of law we've lost.

Fully agree.
 


Guinness Boy

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Millions of people living in fear of the special forces or secret police? Get real. A few hundred at most, and so they fvcking well should. Better that that millions of people living in fear of a handful of Islamic nutters hiding in plain sight.

When the worst happens there are two types of people: those who run towards it and those who run away.

Sorry but while these crimes are shocking they are shocking because they are rare here (no one bothers showing the latest Baghdad bombings on UK telly, did you know 46 people died in suicide bombings in Beirut on Thursday?). I want to live in a liberal social, secular democracy and the clowns who ordered these killings don't. If we suspend any single part of our rule of law they've won.
 




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You're not answering my question. And you are not the first. Even 'Christian Orientated' tells me that you are saying that we are of, and guided by, our devotion to Christianity.

So we return to the question. What do you mean by Christian ?
a person that follows or holds values in the christian beliefs and preachings, what else do you want me to say, if you have a better description tell us :shrug:
regards
DR
 


cunning fergus

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Your examples are based upon mere observation of tradition and ceremony, not the cultural semantics of the phrase.

Using the phrase 'God' in an anthem, or having my diary list the days of saints, is meaningless unless there is a more than a passive observation to this ritual. The phrase 'Christian Country' is at best latent if it refers to some sort of iconicalism- of which few really have active participation in, or even know, its proper narrative.

So, if we are a 'Christian Country' the most relevant question is: What is a Christian ?


I don't understand your point, tradition is culture..........I can sense your contempt though by use of the belittling invective "mere".

Like or not this country is dripping wet in Christian culture, institutionally, historically and socially.

It's mark is everywhere in this country from the holidays we have, national celebrations, pubs, place names, streets, railway stations, schools, hospitals, charities, political developments, social groups for adults, social groups for children, wars, food, drink and the very names given to us by our parents.

What more do you want to demonstrate that this is a Christian country?

It's not just about going to church..........how many people identify themselves as BHA fans but don't go to the Amex
 
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cunning fergus

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To be honest, I'm quite happy for Christians to get on with their beliefs and for Muslims to get on with theirs too. When you're talking about extremists, it is such a tiny proportion of Muslims - about 0.001%.



Using your logic, victims of muslim extremists would equally represent a tiny proportion of the overall population.

You should head to Paris and roll that argument out over there...........a kind of nothing to see here approach.

Bon chance.
 




Mutts Nuts

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Sorry but while these crimes are shocking they are shocking because they are rare here (no one bothers showing the latest Baghdad bombings on UK telly, did you know 46 people died in suicide bombings in Beirut on Thursday?). I want to live in a liberal social, secular democracy and the clowns who ordered these killings don't. If we suspend any single part of our rule of law they've won.

What do you suggest we do?
 


Brian Fantana

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Using your logic, victims of muslim extremists would equally represent a tiny proportion of the overall population.

You should head to Paris and roll that argument out over there...........a kind of nothing to see here approach.

Bon chance.

I really don't understand the point that you're making, or why you're trying to twist my logic. My only comment was to say that the vast, vast majority of Muslims are not extremists (which is a pretty obvious point that you'd have to be a brainless moron to disagree with).
 




Hampster Gull

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I really don't understand the point that you're making, or why you're trying to twist my logic. My only comment was to say that the vast, vast majority of Muslims are not extremists (which is a pretty obvious point that you'd have to be a brainless moron to disagree with).

There are quite a few brainless morons
 




cunning fergus

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I really don't understand the point that you're making, or why you're trying to twist my logic. My only comment was to say that the vast, vast majority of Muslims are not extremists (which is a pretty obvious point that you'd have to be a brainless moron to disagree with).


Where did I disagree with your statement?

I am merely pointing out that the same logic equally applies to victims of Islamic extremists too.

It clearly follows however that by pointing out your analysis that only 0.0001% of Muslims represent a risk, then we should just carry on, no change needed anywhere...........or am I being a brainless moron?
 


Brian Fantana

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Where did I disagree with your statement?

I am merely pointing out that the same logic equally applies to victims of Islamic extremists too.

It clearly follows however that by pointing out your analysis that only 0.0001% of Muslims represent a risk, then we should just carry on, no change needed anywhere...........or am I being a brainless moron?

I still don't understand your comment about the proportion of victims of terrorists? Thankfully, attacks like Paris, whilst being completely abhorrent and disgraceful, are not every day occurrences.

I don't believe that nothing should be done in the light of these attacks. Quite the contrary, I'm very happy that the UK police and security services will be reviewing their policies and procedures.

However, this doesn't detract from the vast majority of Muslims being peaceful.
 


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