Yet another "innocent" detainee at guantanamo

[alfredmizen]

Jamal al Harith captured by US forces in Afghanistan , detained at Guantanamo , freed and given one million pounds compensation, has joined ISIS , 18 months ago, no different to that lot from Tipton or "innocent" Omar deghayes.

http://www.channel4.com/news/jamal-al-harith-guantanamo-detainee-flees-to-syria

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

Hardly surprising.

 

[Eeyore]

Hardly surprised at the authorship of the thread. Aside of that, have 'that lot from Tipton' or 'Innocent' Omar done anything similar ?

 

[Soulman]

At the time of al-Harith's release from Guantanamo Bay, then-Home Secretary David Blunkett, said: "No one who is returned...will actually be a threat to the security of the British people."

After his detention al-Harith claimed he was tortured at Guantanamo bay.

In an interview with a national newspaper after his release he said: "It was very, very hard times, but I tried to think about nothing but survival."

The muslim convert began life as Ronald Fiddler before turning to Islam in the 1990s and changing his name to Jamal Udeen Al-Harith.

Says it all really, mind you a name change was no bad thing.

 

[spring hall convert]

There could well be a chicken/ egg interface at play here don't you think?

 

[spence]

There's a good documentary on Al Jazeera about a 13 year old who was sent to Guantanamo along with two other slightly older teenagers. Two of them joined the Taliban and the 13 year old didn't despite being approached by the Taliban. He returned home after something like 10 years in detention. Even his village people thought he was an American spy and had to flee. He has also survived death threats allegedly. Must be difficult for him. You can see why prisoners turned to militant groups after the horrific abuse they suffered by American Soldiers. America were probably responsible in creating their futures.

 

[GingerBeerMan]

Taking people from their home country, keeping them in conditions we can't even imagine, torturing them and all of this without a trial. It's painfully obvious who the biggest threat to world security is.

 

[BrianWade4]

Taking people from their home country, keeping them in conditions we can't even imagine, torturing them and all of this without a trial. It's painfully obvious who the biggest threat to world security is.

Yes, agreed
Those bloody terrorists

Thank God our governments are keeping us safe

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Gosh, 'prick' man is at it again with more evidence to justify why he 'hates muslims'.

 

[Brian Fantana]

Jamal al Harith captured by US forces in Afghanistan , detained at Guantanamo , freed and given one million pounds compensation, has joined ISIS , 18 months ago, no different to that lot from Tipton or "innocent" Omar deghayes.

http://www.channel4.com/news/jamal-al-harith-guantanamo-detainee-flees-to-syria

Will you change the pissing record?

It's hardly surprising that a bloke who has been held without charge and most probably treated inhumanely has come out with a hatred and determination to fight against the West. He's not exactly going to come out all smiles and shaking hands in thanks is he?

 

[sir albion]

Will you change the pissing record?

It's hardly surprising that a bloke who has been held without charge and most probably treated inhumanely has come out with a hatred and determination to fight against the West. He's not exactly going to come out all smiles and shaking hands in thanks is he?

Yes no doubts he was a lovely family man with a heart of gold....I'm sure his wife and 5 kids flew out to bring him home and had a traumatic time doing so.Great place to take your kids...hope these lovely people come home soon to the country they love and respect.

 

[knocky1]

Jamal al Harith captured by US forces in Afghanistan , detained at Guantanamo , freed and given one million pounds compensation, has joined ISIS , 18 months ago, no different to that lot from Tipton or "innocent" Omar deghayes.

http://www.channel4.com/news/jamal-al-harith-guantanamo-detainee-flees-to-syria

You have used the present perfect 'has joined' but give a definite time scale of 18 months. In this scenario you must use the simple past. Very apt for you.

 

[Brian Fantana]

Yes no doubts he was a lovely family man with a heart of gold....I'm sure his wife and 5 kids flew out to bring him home and had a traumatic time doing so.Great place to take your kids...hope these lovely people come home soon to the country they love and respect.

Not sure how you've decided that I implied that he was a lovely family man with a heart of gold, but hey ho.

My point was that it is not an effective strategy to deal with terrorists (or suspected terrorists) in the way that the USA and ourselves did through Guantanamo. All you do by doing that is to create even more anger and division.

 

[sir albion]

Not sure how you've decided that I implied that he was a lovely family man with a heart of gold, but hey ho.

My point was that it is not an effective strategy to deal with terrorists (or suspected terrorists) in the way that the USA and ourselves did through Guantanamo. All you do by doing that is to create even more anger and division.

We live in a world where people will always see the good in people and naivety is rife in our modern day society.

 

[Acker79]

We live in a world where people will always see the good in people and naivety is rife in our modern day society.

So is paranoia, fear, bigotry and small mindedness.

 

[spring hall convert]

Seems we had a few options with the Guantanamo prisoners. I'd like to know what was the best course of action.

A) charge them with an offence.
B) imprison them and torture them indefinitely
C) kill them.
D) release them under surveillance.

Assuming that a and c weren't open to us, what else were we supposed to do? Whether this particular case was or wasn't a bad man before his imprisonment without charge isn't even the issue here. After years of torture we still had nothing. It is no surprise he holds a grievance against the West.

The OP has a deep hatred of Jeremy Corbyn based on something he said so I'm not sure he's really in a position to judge this man's actions. I shudder to think what revenge he'd be after in this man's position.

 

[spring hall convert]

We live in a world where people will always see the good in people and naivety is rife in our modern day society.

Is this satire? We locked this man up without charge and tortured him until we found out he was no use to us. How is that 'seeing the good in someone?'

What did Guantanamo Bay actually achieve, aside from provide an unneeded rallying call for Muslim fundamentalists and provide cast iron evidence of the West's do as we say not as we do attitude to human rights? Wasn't the vast majority of the information obtained under torture unreliable anyway?

I'd suggest the million pound compo tells you all you need to know about the legality of the situation.

 

[Soulman]

Well hopefully if he has joined ISIS he will end up like this bloke.......

 

[sir albion]

Is this satire? We locked this man up without charge and tortured him until we found out he was no use to us. How is that 'seeing the good in someone?'

What did Guantanamo Bay actually achieve, aside from provide an unneeded rallying call for Muslim fundamentalists and provide cast iron evidence of the West's do as we say not as we do attitude to human rights? Wasn't the vast majority of the information obtained under torture unreliable anyway?

I'd suggest the million pound compo tells you all you need to know about the legality of the situation.

I'd suspect they knew he was up to no good,but getting the proof with these types is particularly difficult and must be like banging your head against a brick wall.

 

[spring hall convert]

Well hopefully if he has joined ISIS he will end up like this bloke.......

Agreed and he most likely will.