Should UK pay reparations to Jamaica for slavery?

[jameswestport]

You plastic paddies are such hypocrites , if we're so bad , Fvck off back to Ireland and live there, job done , simple , you won't have to deal with the nasty Brits anymore.

I wasn't calling you a scumbag just your ancestors. Sure they knew no better I guess.

 

[alfredmizen]

What else have ye done to Ireland where six would be applicable. I was born in England, Mams English and I live in England. I couldn't give a flying **** about a bit of land. It's all just about power at the end of the day its night.

I just get sick of people mate , they live here but have some foreign ancestry and are constantly moaning about the nasty British, if you really do feel like your above statement then FairPlay to you , but it came across as a bit of an anti British rant

 

[alfredmizen]

I wasn't calling you a scumbag just your ancestors. Sure they knew no better I guess.

Mate , you were born here and your mums English , why are you talking / typing in some ridiculous faux Irish style, using words like "ye" and "sure" any way, top of the morning to "ye"

 

[blue'n'white]

Well the Caribbean economy will need a boost now that Jack Warner hasn't got his fingers in FIFA's till !

 

[Publius Ovidius]

It is estimated that around 12 million Africans were transported to the new world, with about 10.7m surviving.

At its height, 40% of the Roman Empire's population were slaves from all over Europe and Africa which equated to around 5 million people. This doesn't include those people and children sent down mines in Spain, Germany, Gaul and Britain who could be well over the 5 million recorded. So the actual figure could be 10 million.

The difference was that Roman slaves in Italy became teachers, doctors as well as domestic servants and could become freedmen without a huge civil war that still has repercussions currently in the USA. African slaves on the other hand were mainly brought over to work the land.

I still think we ought to go for the Romans!

 

[jameswestport]

Mate , you were born here and your mums English , why are you talking / typing in some ridiculous faux Irish style, using words like "ye" and "sure" any way, top of the morning to "ye"

Because I lived in Ireland up to last year and that's how I talk mate

 

[KingKev]

It is estimated that around 12 million Africans were transported to the new world, with about 10.7m surviving.

At its height, 40% of the Roman Empire's population were slaves from all over Europe and Africa which equated to around 5 million people. This doesn't include those people and children sent down mines in Spain, Germany, Gaul and Britain who could be well over the 5 million recorded. So the actual figure could be 10 million.

The difference was that Roman slaves in Italy became teachers, doctors as well as domestic servants and could become freedmen without a huge civil war that still has repercussions currently in the USA. African slaves on the other hand were mainly brought over to work the land.

I still think we ought to go for the Romans!

5m-10m as a proportion of the affected populations in Roman times is enormous. Roman Britain had a population of only c 4m for example, so the impact of slavery could have been much greater than the later European / Arab exploitation of West Africans....but I guess the Roman slave numbers would be over a few more centuries than the African slave trade?

 

[Seagull on the wing]

Pay for your ancestors crimes ?...the mind boggles, could you do anything about those crimes?...Of course not...people are always looking for a fast buck....Here is how the conversation might go.."You are responsible for the slave trade,so we demand payment and for you to say sorry".|".Er! yes,but who abolished slavery in the early 1800s?"
Well you enslaved a third of the World with your Empire.
"Would India say sorry for the Black Hole of Calcutta massacre where British woman and children got slaughtered,besides we did good as well,we built roads,schools,hospitals,bought law and order and railways.
Slavery started and ended at different times in the worlds history...it is past...very soon there'll be no slavery or racism...it's not perfect but slowly we are getting there.
Todays generation is not responsible for their ancestors sins.

 

[Curious Orange]

It has. We've abolished slavery.

Slavery has been effectively illegal in the England since 1215. 1807 was when we started parking the Navy off of West Africa and forcibly stopped the slave trade - how many more centuries do we need?

 

[glasfryn]

Well the Caribbean economy will need a boost now that Jack Warner hasn't got his fingers in FIFA's till !

this is where dave steps in and gives them the money to build a brand spanking new prison, so we can send back the gun toting drug dealers we have bogging up our prisons.
we would not want them to deprived of their nice surroundings would we

 

[heathgate]

Slavery has been effectively illegal in the England since 1215. 1807 was when we started parking the Navy off of West Africa and forcibly stopped the slave trade - how many more centuries do we need?

Oh don't underestimate the sense of outraged entitlement that certain communities, even within this country, are driven to perpetuate.....often via very wealthy civil liberties lawyers and organisations......where there's blame (however tenuous)...there is a claim.

Why work for a living, if you can get funded for being a fabricated victim, then put your feet up, the legal system will provide.

 

[GT49er]

this is where dave steps in and gives them the money to build a brand spanking new prison, so we can send back the gun toting drug dealers we have bogging up our prisons.
we would not want them to deprived of their nice surroundings would we

Thought you were removing the Michael - but no, I see Dave's actually doing this! Brilliant!

Now, when they get out of prison they'll be in Jamaica, so
a). they won't be claiming benefits over here, and
b). they won't be draining resources from the legal aid budget fighting to remain in this country - we just don't let 'em back in.

It goes very much against the grain to say, 'Well done Dave, nice one'..............but (wincing slightly), well done Dave, nice one.

 

[glasfryn]

Thought you were removing the Michael - but no, I see Dave's actually doing this! Brilliant!

Now, when they get out of prison they'll be in Jamaica, so
a). they won't be claiming benefits over here, and
b). they won't be draining resources from the legal aid budget fighting to remain in this country - we just don't let 'em back in.

It goes very much against the grain to say, 'Well done Dave, nice one'..............but (wincing slightly), well done Dave, nice one.

why not just send them back now?

 

[scamander]

as someone with a penchant for ancient history I find the citing of Rome somewhat baffling. The Roman Empire is thought to have ended in the 5th century. Italy, as a single entity didn't appear till the 19th. The periods in between saw a series of states in the Italian peninsula, many of which ruled by other countries. In short the Roman empire didn't merge into modern Italy.

 

[Publius Ovidius]

5m-10m as a proportion of the affected populations in Roman times is enormous. Roman Britain had a population of only c 4m for example, so the impact of slavery could have been much greater than the later European / Arab exploitation of West Africans....but I guess the Roman slave numbers would be over a few more centuries than the African slave trade?

They actually " inherited" a whole raft of slaves at the time of the Punic wars when they duffed up the North Africans as well as the early days from the wars against mithradates when Pompey duffed them up. There were loads of " Arabic" slaves taken , which were actually Persians.

I totally agree about scale and if you look at today's rate, to subjegate the vast majority of Europe, North Africa and the Middle East, and the Hellenic lands, would be the equivalent of millions upon millions of people.

 

[Publius Ovidius]

as someone with a penchant for ancient history I find the citing of Rome somewhat baffling. The Roman Empire is thought to have ended in the 5th century. Italy, as a single entity didn't appear till the 19th. The periods in between saw a series of states in the Italian peninsula, many of which ruled by other countries. In short the Roman empire didn't merge into modern Italy.

I get that....I was trying to make a point about how slavery has been around since the dawn of time and to pick one period in history as a base line for reparations, IE the removal of Africans to the new world, is fraught with danger.

 

[maltaseagull]

Couldn't imagine the world without Bob Marley.

But would he have got a recording contract in Africa?

 

[GT49er]

why not just send them back now?

Because now they'd just be grabbing all the legal aid the can lay their hands on and sending their legal team off to the European Court of Human Rights. If they're in the nice new shiny prison in Jamaica, when they come out they will have no recourse to either.

 

[looney]

Justice is about holding people responsible for their wrong doing or seeking compensation/retribution for those who have been wronged. No one alive in JA was a slave and no one in the UK owned one.

The principle of this is more along the lines of The sins of the fathers being visited on the sons. Irrational religious, jewish/marxist* babble that needs to be given short shrift.

*I beleive a jewish sect still hold this as a legal principle.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Who in their right mind WOULDN'T be happy to suspend all of the financial plans they'd made to hand over cash for something that happened 200-300 years ago? Seems perfectly reasonable to me.