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Update on Proposed Hotel Development by TCSL at Falmer



jackanada

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Jul 19, 2011
3,161
Brighton
one of the more excitable village campaigners was warning of a solid belt of development from Falmer to Rottingdean.

Excellent idea. Knock down the downs hotel and improve the junction at woodingdean. Upgrade the falmer road. Build a load of houses. A bit of a shame but very few people seem to want to live up north so more housing in the south it is.
 




Peter Grummit

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Oct 13, 2004
6,769
Lewes
Surely the traffic generated by the hotel would be far smaller than that generated by existing users of Village Way, and vastly smaller than anything connected with stadium matchdays? Also, hotel staff and guest traffic would be spread fairly evenly over all times and days of the week and so would have little effect on the peaks of activity just before and after matches.

I guess that is what Martin Perry would argue and it seems a fair argument to me.

It doesn't work like that I'm afraid. The hotel traffic will be additional to all the other Village Way traffic and the Falmer Road traffic. We know there is a problem on matchdays. But the real concerns of the HA are weekday PM peaks when traffic queues down the bypass from Hollingbury/Patcham and merges with that coming up the Lewes Road as cars queue back from the Falmer Road junction. This is a major safety hazard as well as the congestion. Any incremental traffic for the hotel - a fair proportion of hotel guests will arrive by car in the PM peak - will add to this problem.

PG
 


Lincoln Imp

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Feb 2, 2009
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It doesn't work like that I'm afraid. The hotel traffic will be additional to all the other Village Way traffic and the Falmer Road traffic. We know there is a problem on matchdays. But the real concerns of the HA are weekday PM peaks when traffic queues down the bypass from Hollingbury/Patcham and merges with that coming up the Lewes Road as cars queue back from the Falmer Road junction. This is a major safety hazard as well as the congestion. Any incremental traffic for the hotel - a fair proportion of hotel guests will arrive by car in the PM peak - will add to this problem.

PG

Thanks. I didn't appreciate that there were problems at other times.
 




ROSM

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Dec 26, 2005
6,227
Just far enough away from LDC
The chronology actually went something like this

- Huddersfield stadium uses its exec boxes as hotel rooms. Bhafc looked at that for Falmer and decided against it

- Club employed consultants to look at financial viability of stadium and other uses. They suggested amongst other things, a hotel. It is this report, having been rejected by bhafc(not specifically because of hotel idea but actually due to some very poor quality work) that was leaked to Norman baker (liar and faker). By whom you may ask?
- Club decided education was a better form for extra funding potential and produced the city college plan which crumbled when central government funding was with drawn
- Club now, having been at amex and explored most other funding schemes have looked at the empty land qnd looked again at hotel

So were they lying then? No
 






maltaseagull

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Feb 25, 2009
13,052
Zabbar- Malta
Using figures could the hotel company make £1m profit and then donate £500k to buy a player or even £1m if they wished, as I could if I won the lottery. Just a way of circumventing the rules of FFP

First, the hotel has to make a profit?
 






Notters

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Oct 20, 2003
24,869
Guiseley
Not so - only 'football related' income counts in the FFP accounts.

How is football related income defined? I assumed that just meant that chairman who operate other businesses cannot feed money into the football club. But surely the hotel will be inherently part of the football club?
 


How is football related income defined? I assumed that just meant that chairman who operate other businesses cannot feed money into the football club. But surely the hotel will be inherently part of the football club?

I'd assume, like the Training Ground, it will be owned by the Community Stadium Ltd and not by BHAFC Ltd; the latter is the football club entity and is the member of the Football League. However, who knows for sure atm?
 










mikeyjh

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Dec 17, 2008
4,494
Llanymawddwy
How is football related income defined? I assumed that just meant that chairman who operate other businesses cannot feed money into the football club. But surely the hotel will be inherently part of the football club?

I wondered that the other day - You may have seen, but the iPro is like a giant advertising hoarding, it's plastered with adverts even has 2 video screens on the outside. Now all of this counts towards FFP. So if Mel Morris (our Chairman) decides to say here you are DCFC, here's my share of Candy Crush, we'd be laughing right? I suspect not, but I don't know where the line is drawn.....
 




Stat Brother

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Jul 11, 2003
73,829
West west west Sussex
Virgo atually made me laugh, the other day, when talking about the medical facilities.
Interviewer was saying how good the club is with individual bespoke regimes in place, to which AV replied:-

"I had to chase Malcolm Stewart dog around the park"


and then reading:-

“It came about because we have a medical centre in the East Stand and we are looking to install our own MRI scanner so that we can get scans quickly if we have an injured player.

is amazing.



Oh and Barber out :rant:
 






B.W.

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Jul 5, 2003
13,666
Great stuff by Tony et al...
 




Moshe Gariani

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Mar 10, 2005
12,092
I like the idea but I thought that the hotel would have fitted in with the style of the amex better.
Agree that this new building will not enhance the aesthetic appeal of The Amex when approached from the East. The income generation and medical stuff is, however, excellent news.
 


Notters

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Oct 20, 2003
24,869
Guiseley
I'd assume, like the Training Ground, it will be owned by the Community Stadium Ltd and not by BHAFC Ltd; the latter is the football club entity and is the member of the Football League. However, who knows for sure atm?

The planning application was submitted by Albion Sports and Leisure Ltd. Hence I mentioned them the other day but had to keep schtum about the application! :)
 


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