Jeremy Corbyn.

[Gregory2Smith1]

What are the odds now being offered on him becoming PM.? Or still being labour leader at the next election?

slim and none

 

[Working class pride]

So Cameron says that he creates jobs but doesn't believe that he should and Corbyn doesn't say that he will create jobs but believes that he should? You'll have to explain why the former is so much better than the latter.

And the current government directly controls the pay of 1/6 of the working population and regulates many of the rest in various ways so it's hardly a free market out there.

Cameron is playing on words. He knows that he as a politician has created not one job, because its not his role to do so. I dislike what Cameron has said. But why is one better than the other? Well Corbyn is a fully paid up shiny boot, military uniform socialist albeit dressed up as a 1980's Grange Hill geography teacher. He genuinely thinks he should predict what you and I want, allocate resources as to what he thinks is a priority and run peoples lives for them. He wants the state instead of the individual to drive the economy. All of you sticking up for this socialist really need to speak to people who have lived in totalitarian socialist countries. In a socialist state a state official decides what you earn, not you. It really is not funny. As someone from an ex USSR country said to me, the freedom to open a business online without paying some official is something we should not under estimate. Sometimes its the simple things that hit home.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

the scots said no to independance because of the majority protestant vote and that ain't gonna change any time soon

UK government no longer has a mandate to govern in, er, Govan, anymore. Or any other part of Glasgow come to that. Nowt to do with religion.

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

Fantastic result for British democracy today.

At last, Labour back to its roots and now hopefully real opposition to the Tories and away from centre ground nonsense that has been failing poor and vulnerable people for far took long.

tell me 1066 how much did you pay for your latest velo?

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

UK government no longer has a mandate to govern in, er, Govan, anymore. Or any other part of Glasgow come to that. Nowt to do with religion.

the independance vote had everything to do with it,the silent majority winning again

 

[Castello]

Not sure about clear blue water. It is the same set of MPs that are there. It is just the bloke at the front that has changed. Surely he will have to remove a heck of a lot of MPs to provide a radically different party? Otherwise its him and a load of the old same lot?

The difference is the 200,000 people who either joined or registered to vote. Clearly the majority of them voted Corbyn. If they now get involved and argue in the local parties for the positions put forward by Corbyn a lot of MPs will feel pressure to move left. An example is in my local area Haringey has 2 Labour MPs. Both nominated Corbyn but stated they were voting elsewhere. As the campaign gained momentum Catherine west changed to a Corbyn supporter. As former leader of Islington Council this isnt a surprise. The other David Lammie has started making some very left wing noises in the last 3 months. He knows that Tottenham Labour party has a history of left activism having been Bernie Grants seat. It also has a history of extra parliamentary activismitsw not hard to see people like myself rejoining the labour party and pushing David Lammie leftwards. This will be repeated all over.

The media are making a big thing about Liz Kendall, Tristram Hunt and Chukka Umunna refusing shadow cabinet positions. Lets be honest they weren't getting offered them. Liz Kendall got a derisory 4.5%. The blairites are dead, buried and checking the job ads. Just to reinforce this point tessa Jowell allegedly such a shoe in to be the lkabour choice for Mayor of London, that she was boasting about how only she could win, in her e messages, and another blairite, also lost badly. Blairs time is gone with only the Chilcott report as a postscript.

You can bet a whole load of MP's are sitting calculating in which direction the political futures lie. This could still go badly for the left, it could also turn into a pro versus anti austerity nightmare for the tories. Only a fool or a liar says they know what will happen in 5 years. All I do know is one hell of a fight is about to start both within and outside the Labour Party.

 

[Honky Tonx]

The Voting public have rejected Socialism since 1979. How can anyone with any sense honestly believe that a party that will now embrace socialism stands any chance of being elected? Corbyn might well be a nice honest person but PM material he certainly is not. Times have moved on and if labour want to be re elected they must now move forward and not backwards.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

The new Michael Foot and equally electable.

 

[HantsSeagull]

It depends who the Conservatives elect as their next leader surely.

How can anyone say that before all the partied manifestos have been released for 2020? We have no idea who we would vote for as we don't know what policies they will be pushing for 2020.

Baffled by these comments. Labour might've just got its most popular leader since Blair.

no party has ever won a general election without winning over the middle classes (yes i know the class system is archaic but it exists like it or not). Labour won because Blair convinced them their economic prosperity would be safe under New Labour.

I remember Michael Foot being elected leader of the labour party - a period of labour party history being quietly forgotten. The party is going to descend into civil war. Corbyn is unelectable by the British electorate. The Tories could elect a chimpanzee as its next leader and it will still win.

 

[1066familyman]

tell me 1066 how much did you pay for your latest velo?

Nowhere near as much as you I expect

But I fail to see the relevance of your question on this thread. Looks like you might be clutching at straws in the face of real change

 

[Working class pride]

The Voting public have rejected Socialism since 1979. How can anyone with any sense honestly believe that a party that will now embrace socialism stands any chance of being elected? Corbyn might well be a nice honest person but PM material he certainly is not. Times have moved on and if labour want to be re elected they must now move forward and not backwards.

People will vote often for what is in their interest. If he can promise enough to enough people then like the SNP we will have defeated socialist totalitarian country in 1945, then again after the fall of the Berlin Wall, only to have a socialist who thinks its his job to predict your and my wants and predict demand so that he can decide who has a job in what sector, running the country. really people speak to people who lived under socialism and worry.

 

[Castello]

For sure. At least there will be clear daylight between the two parties and a real choice for the electorate rather than last time when it was a choice (apart from in Brighton Pavilion) between voting Tory or Tory Lite. Corbyn's election may well go a long way towards reclaiming Labour's traditional voters, as well as hopefully providing a credible anti-austerity platform for those who have not had access to one before.

Actually I was talking with friends today about all this and said I think Corbyn should offer Caroline Lucas Alex Salmond and Leanne Wood seats on his Shadow Cabinet, with Salmond and Leanne Wood being scotrtish and welsh spokesperson. I know this would be controversial and unlikely to happen, but it would act to build an anti austerity opposition in parliament. It also has the added benefit of undermining Alex salmond. If he accepts he will have to back his words with actions and if he refuses he will both upset several of his own MP's and expose him to ex Labour voters in scotland.

Im sure Im missing something, but it makes sense to me.

 

[larus]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Tories play a cute game over the next few years and dont push too hard on Corbyn and his policies.
Then, in the build up to the next election, they will go after him. As much as the 'left wingers/socialists' on here think this is a great victory, the socialist agenda doesn't appeal to the vast mojority of the country.

This country aspires to freedom, the ability to work hard and achieve success. Not that of the hand-outs, welfare for life and repressive taxation.

Corbyn has no chance to win an election. However, if Ernest and Herr Tub think he does, then they are welome to carry on with their delusion, as per the last election.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

The Voting public have rejected Socialism since 1979. How can anyone with any sense honestly believe that a party that will now embrace socialism stands any chance of being elected? Corbyn might well be a nice honest person but PM material he certainly is not. Times have moved on and if labour want to be re elected they must now move forward and not backwards.

Or maybe Labour might do better returning to its roots rather than bending over backwards to appeal to Middle England as Tory Lite. That patently worked for Tony B.Liar, especially as the voting public were heartily sick of Tory sleaze by 1997. But that was nearly 20 years ago. There's a whole new generation of voters coming on-stream who weren't even born in 1997. All they see is bankers still with their snouts in the trough instead of being in jail, multi-national corporations paying zero tax and UK society's most vulnerable having the shit kicked out of them by a government that knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Time for a PROPER contest of moral values.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I'm one of those who has said that a Corbyn labour party will never win a general election (and I would prefer a labour government). I listened to Jezza's acceptance speach this morning. The first thing I notoced (never having heard him speak previously, apart from when the Irish R5 bloke mugged him on the phone a week ago) is how natural and sincere he sounds. He is no shakey son of Blair, with nothing to offer apart from warm tory lite. And what he said was . . . inspirational. I do worry about what I read about his fondness for alternative medicine (or 'alternative to medicine' as I call it: homeopathy) but otherwise he's sincere and sounds like an honest and honourable man. And practical (unlike the lovely old bookish Michael Foot).

At the end of the last century Francis Fukuyama wrote a book called the end of history, claiming that the stable democratic systems we now have are entrenched, and contagious and we will never have any major change again, and China and Russia will follow suit into easy democrasy. Then we had the rise of rebellion, and Islamic militancy. China will always be China, and democrasy isn't a feature of their thousands of years old history. But no more change? Humans aren't like that. Go to the new big cities in China - it is not America (democratic) but it is not rice bowls and horses and carts. Urban life there is transformed. Change happens, and it is not predictable.

Like Castello (above) I now have no idea what will happen in 2020. But I do know that Campbell is not loved, and Boris (the likely successor) is weaselly and blustery, and has nothing new to say. The apathetic young voters may get excited about Jezza just as the young got excited about Obama, and actually go out and vote. He could win.


Politics is the art of the possible, but the vision thing we have experienced since the last Blair government has become uninspiring and untrusted. On reflection, I was uninspired by the other 3 candidates (Burnham seemed the best prepared, and has been gracious and engaged after defeat), and felt they would offer no rivetting alternative to the Tories. And I worry about creeping privatisation and the slow dismantling of the NHS (no tory really approves of socialised medicine). And all the dismantling of a national state education system. And the cold hearted response to the chaos in Syria. Maybe people will be attracted to Jezza's very clear socialist agenda. And despite myself, I'm actually quite excited about this.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

The Tories could elect a chimpanzee as its next leader and it will still win.

As long as the said chimp went to either Eton or Harrow.

 

[1066familyman]

The youth now hold the key to this country's political direction I feel, and thank God for that!

They know that for most of them, when it comes to housing, education and living wage job prospects things don't look good if we keep the status quo.

Let's hope that the Times they are indeed a changin'

 

[Beach Hut]

The youth now hold the key to this country's political direction I feel, and thank God for that!

They know that for most of them, when it comes to housing, education and living wage job prospects things don't look good if we keep the status quo.

Let's hope that the Times they are indeed a changin'

Which Youth is this ?

I doubt very much they would welcome a socialist utopia

 

[chucky1973]

Making a huge deal about having 60% of the vote. But reality is 40% don't want him. He is trouble in my eyes and will take us back in time if he ever gets PM. iMHO he has no chance. Bad decision by labour.

 

[1066familyman]

Which Youth is this ?

I doubt very much eggy would welcome a socialist utopia

The youth that have little chance of getting on the housing ladder without an inheritance step up.
The youth with no chance of social housing unless they put themselves in crisis.
The youth destined to be trapped in the private rented sector topped up with housing benefit in many cases and unable to save for a deposit.
The youth having University maintenance grants taken away from them and being left with a mountain of debt just to receive a further education.
The youth destined to rely on benefit top ups despite being In FULL TIME EMPLOYMENT.

Some of those maybe?, but perhaps you mix in different circles to me or read different headlines?