General Election 2015

[melias shoes]

2.5 million people left France due to high taxes? I'm sorry but I simply do not believe there were 2.5 million French people earning over 12 million a year/1 million a month and legible for the 75% super-tax let alone they all left.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...he-channel-and-heading-to-london-9788348.html

 

[Hampster Gull]

I wasn't aware of this. But I believe Tubby-MacFat is aiming his post at Labour lefties and socialists like me as opposed to Greens.

It is a small hop skip and jump from the 50% promised already to the 60% to keep the more left wing parties happy to the 80% they had when they left the UK crippled in 1979.

 

[glasfryn]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...he-channel-and-heading-to-london-9788348.html

keeps stating loads of figures but not all of them are leaving due to paying to much tax, a few maybe but certainly not all

 

[Hampster Gull]

were you going to provide some evidence directly against the theory, or rely on indirect commentry from a different issue? trickle down doesnt bring wealth equality and has never pretended to. its about improving the whole economy.

One party focuses on incentivisation, the other penalisation. I know which I think is more inherently sensible.

 

[glasfryn]

It is a small hop skip and jump from the 50% promised already to the 60% to keep the more left wing parties happy to the 80% they had when they left the UK crippled in 1979.

I know lets take everything off them and then we can all use the food banks

 

[melias shoes]

this would of coarse solve our problem 2.5m super rich paying 50% tax and we could send 2.5m of our poor to France
NHS paid for
no food banks
no holes in the roads
no scum ripping the social off
I am sure if the tories put that in the English manifesto they would get a great majority

I didn't say there were 2.5m over here now did I. Over 2m have left France. A percentage of them are in London and spread around Europe.

 

[Hampster Gull]

So you're suggesting the Green manifesto represents socialists in general?

I know they don't represent the left wing in general as there are many governments in Europe who tax very high earners significantly less that the current conservative one does.

 

[melias shoes]

keeps stating loads of figures but not all of them are leaving due to paying to much tax, a few maybe but certainly not all

Yeah,you keep sticking your head in the sand.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...he-channel-and-heading-to-london-9788348.html

? You said due to tax. This article simply states in total over 2 million French people now live abroad. No reasons are given. It also states there is a steady rate of 2% leaving so this 2 million has been accumulated over some time. And the article also states the numbers leaving are "across all sections of society".

In summary, your original assertion is nonsense.

 

[Hampster Gull]

I know lets take everything off them and then we can all use the food banks

There we go. Make the pips squeak and all will be fine, we will life in a utopia. It has worked in the USSR, in North Korea.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

It is a small hop skip and jump from the 50% promised already to the 60% to keep the more left wing parties happy to the 80% they had when they left the UK crippled in 1979.

I leave someone else to comment on how weak this argument is.

 

[Hampster Gull]

I leave someone else to comment on how weak this argument is.

Is it beneath you HT?

 

[glasfryn]

There we go. Make the pips squeak and all will be fine, we will life in a utopia. It has worked in the USSR, in North Korea.

was tongue in cheek
talking of making the pips squeak thats George oops sorry Gideons job, now he would fit in well in North Korea apart from the fact he has a permanant smirk

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Is it beneath you HT?

No, not at all. I wasn't sure if you were being serious or not.

 

[Hampster Gull]

No, not at all. I wasn't sure if you were being serious or not.

Can't see it happening any time soon but it has happened before under Labour so its not inconceivable. I don't think the two Eds are that stupid though. However read an interesting Guardian article titled "why the 1% should pay tax at 80%" which said its the job of economists to make the top rate tax level of 80% at least thinkable again.

 

[melias shoes]

? You said due to tax. This article simply states in total over 2 million French people now live abroad. No reasons are given. It also states there is a steady rate of 2% leaving so this 2 million has been accumulated over some time. And the article also states the numbers leaving are "across all sections of society".

In summary, your original assertion is nonsense.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/11/au-re...e-abroad-with-most-heading-to-london-4901461/
Another view on it. The last paragraph gives you a clue.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/11/au-re...e-abroad-with-most-heading-to-london-4901461/
Another view on it. The last paragraph gives you a clue.

Firstly, this is the same article...the Metro have cribbed it from the Independent. It's almost word for word identical.

Second, "scores" is not 2.5 million; it's nowhere near. Seems to me you made a flippant comment.

That said, if it is the case that a 75% tax rate only results in a few scores of people leaving, we will have absolutely nothing to worry about if we stick a few extra %s on the UK's top rate.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Some interesting comments about taxing the wealthy. No doubt I will get shot down but as someone who is comfortably within the top 1% of earners (& yes I have worked my socks off to get there) & an IFA to a number of very wealthy clients re their finances, it is largely an irrelevance as to what the highest rate of income tax is. Most high earners earning above £150,000 pa are not employees but run their own businesses, self employed, or Directors of companies. There are many legal ways of extracting revenue from businesses, without getting political but brought about by the former Labour Party. Paying large amounts of income tax is largely voluntary as is inheritance tax.

Out of interest what is the 1% threshold?

 

[Hampster Gull]

Out of interest what is the 1% threshold?

according to a 2013 telegraph report, £160k but you could have searched for that too

 

[Seagull on the wing]

Firstly, this is the same article...the Metro have cribbed it from the Independent. It's almost word for word identical.

Second, "scores" is not 2.5 million; it's nowhere near. Seems to me you made a flippant comment.

That said, if it is the case that a 75% tax rate only results in a few scores of people leaving, we will have absolutely nothing to worry about if we stick a few extra %s on the UK's top rate.

It is thousands...that's socialism for you French style...which is Milibands goal...