Brighton giving young players ........

[LamieRobertson]

i still think its a good initiative by the club....bit of a bun fight seems to have started up

 

[BensGrandad]

Well done indeed.

However- I know I'm being unfair extrapolating on a two minute clip of what the players got from the program, but I sincerely hope that it covered respect to women, and WHY some things are not okay, rather than just 'not getting into trouble' - that's a bit how it came across.

I can fully understand the club emphasing the legal aspect as the moral and respect aspect should have been installed in them by their parents.

 

[spring hall convert]

While this is good in theory. Still won't stop certain women crying rape or whatever when it comes to trying to extort money from players or trying to get free publicity. Knowing the British judicial system it won't be much help as our laws rarely listen to the mans side of the story

It also won't stop some rapists, but hey we can only try.

 

[nwgull]

i still think its a good initiative by the club....bit of a bun fight seems to have started up

I actually think it IS a good idea. A select few of these lads will go on to earn money in their early 20s that most could only dream about. Coupled with the fact that they're pro sportsmen in prime fitness, they're going to attract much higher than their fair share of female attention when they go out. As such, anything to ensure that they know how to avoid going into any grey areas as far as casual sexual relations are concerned is a a good idea.

What offends me on this thread is the self appointed moral high ground and presumption that all footballers are inherently thick with no sense of right or wrong, and that none of these lads will have had any sort of moral guidance from their parents.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Part of me is surprised that this needs to be taught to people. Is it really that confusing?

I would worry about the people at the club if you feel this is something that needs to be brought in - it's a good idea... but why is it needed?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I find your viewpoint confusing. You want to think highly of these youngsters, yet you feel that they are intrinsically bad people and need to go on a course to learn morals? Make up your mind.

You're not doing very well on this thread are you?

 

[nwgull]

You're not doing very well on this thread are you?

You've still not answered my question.

I'd be I interested to know who the hell you think you are to be passing your arrogant moral judgment on me - a mature law abiding adult. As long as any decisions I make regarding my life are within the law, then any moral code is a personal thing, and the only opinions on my actions I give a crap about are those of my parents, even though I'm 39.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You've still not answered my question.

I'd be I interested to know who the hell you think you are to be passing your arrogant moral judgment on me - a mature law abiding adult. As long as any decisions I make regarding my life are within the law, then any moral code is a personal thing, and the only opinions on my actions I give a crap about are those of my parents, even though I'm 39.

If you cannot distinguish between generally accepted moral code, and the law, then there really is zero point in me engaging with you. As an aside, maybe you need anger training as well?

 

[spring hall convert]

As such, anything to ensure that they know how to avoid going into any grey areas as far as casual sexual relations are concerned is a a good idea.

Bingo!

 

[KZNSeagull]

What offends me on this thread is the self appointed moral high ground and presumption that all footballers are inherently thick with no sense of right or wrong, and that none of these lads will have had any sort of moral guidance from their parents.

It's called duty of care. Just because these lads may know this stuff already, is no reason not to teach it. I am not assuming that they are thick - I am more in admiration of the club that they are prepared to teach this stuff to the kids in their care - they expect the kids to behave in a manner upholding the clubs standards and they are teaching them what is required, instead of assuming that they already know.

 

[Husty]

How pathetic.

 

[LeicesterGull]

Going to be on Radio 5 live after current interview.

 

[LamieRobertson]

If you cannot distinguish between generally accepted moral code, and the law, then there really is zero point in me engaging with you. As an aside, maybe you need anger training as well?

A tad condescending

 

[Tom Bombadil]

I can fully understand the club emphasing the legal aspect as the moral and respect aspect should have been installed in them by their parents.

Well the parents of your generation didnt do a very good job, so why expect the parents of current footballers to be any different.

 

[nwgull]

If you cannot distinguish between generally accepted moral code, and the law, then there really is zero point in me engaging with you. As an aside, maybe you need anger training as well?

You seem to be the one with difficulty in differentiating between the law and moral code: The law is a prescribed set of rules that we have to respect. Moral code is a personal set of rules, normally influenced by parental upbringing, by which we have a choice to follow.

You don't want to engage with me because, so far, I've provided more articulate response than any of your short quips, and you know that you're probably on a loser.

As for anger management. I'm struggling to see where on this thread I've responded disproportionality to your original suggestion that I need to undergo sexual consent training and some sort if moral guidance. That would be quite an insult to anyone.

 

[Official Old Man]

Heard this on 5Live this morning. Good thing but just out of interest, is it something the club are doing naturally or is it a police/court order as part of something we don't know? Only asking and respect the club for it. Should be taught in schools more.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Sorry but not once did i say anything about hating women. I just stated what seems to be fact about our court systems. The leverage that a woman's word has in court has far more weight on it than a mans ever does.

If that were even remotely true, then why do such a small percentage of rape reports lead to prosecution, and only 20-30% of those that do, end in conviction? Your 'facts' don't stack up.

 

[GT49er]

Bearing in mind that their wealth and (potential) fame is likely to provide them with more than average opportunities / temptation, it seems like a sound idea.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I actually think it IS a good idea. A select few of these lads will go on to earn money in their early 20s that most could only dream about. Coupled with the fact that they're pro sportsmen in prime fitness, they're going to attract much higher than their fair share of female attention when they go out. As such, anything to ensure that they know how to avoid going into any grey areas as far as casual sexual relations are concerned is a a good idea.

What offends me on this thread is the self appointed moral high ground and presumption that all footballers are inherently thick with no sense of right or wrong, and that none of these lads will have had any sort of moral guidance from their parents.

Who has said anything about 'none of these lads'? 90% of them may well be angels. 2 or 3 of them may benefit in some small way, from giving up a couple of hours of their playstation time, to listen to the views of the former detective running the course. I struggle to see any downside to this initiative. If truly, none of them need it, then great. Handshakes all round.

 

[BLOCK F]

I am rather surprised at the tone of some commentators on here regarding this discussion.
Whilst I would hope most of us,and our young footballers know the difference between right and wrong and how to behave towards the opposite sex,there is no doubt that 'grey areas' do exist.
Personally,I think the club are doing the right thing by making the youngsters aware of what consent means in a legal context.
I may be an old fart now at 66,but I do remember that a mixture of alcohol,raging hormones and attraction between the sexes often leads to sexual advances.Sometimes welcome and sometimes not.
I n cases of alleged sexual assault,I understand that the CPS is now putting the emphasis on men having to prove that they had absolute consent from the woman especially when alcohol had been consumed.Pretty damn' difficult in some circumstances,I would suggest.
Blimey,how many of us, male and female, have had drunken(or let us say not entirely sober!) encounters with the opposite sex in our youth that may have led on to consensual intercourse...or perhaps just a grope.It may have seemed like a good idea at the time and perhaps it was, with both parties getting on with their lives and thinking no more of it.However now, there is always the chance that if the young man cannot PROVE he had consent, he could be found guilty of rape.
I reckon any advice given is a good thing.