Fox hunting

[BigGully]

How much,out of interest does it cost you per year?

You see you are 'means testing' the participants ??

Why not highlight your concerns from the cruelty aspects and its impact on the foxes population or other reasonable points that make you want it outlawed.

 

[supaseagull]

I just don't get why people have to run around on horses trying to kill an innocent animal. It seems quite frankly immature.

Perhaps we should ask whether those who condone this how they would feel if their pets were hunted down by a pack of foxes and torn to pieces?

And for those who say it's not cruel...perhaps then you should not be allowed to keep any form of pet!

 

[8ace]

Not really gonna win the UKIP voters back for them.

 

[junior]

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And I will repeat to you that, it is inhumane, and the only people who think it isn't are those who partake in this unnecessary practise. You cannot defend the indefensible

It is not inhumane. In fact it has been proven to be more humane than shooting, the most common method that the 'anti's' seem to suggest as an alternative.

 

[lawros left foot]

I'm loath get into the same old arguments on here again as sadly some people can't see beyond their 'anti-toff' tinted spectacles and i end up banging my head against a brick wall.

See this previous thread where I provided proof that killing a fox with hounds was more humane than shooting it.

http://www.northstandchat.com/showt...-kers/page3&highlight=support+your+local+hunt

So, how much does it cost you out of your own money to perform this invaluable service to the community. I'm only interested, as I may consider this form of charity myself

 

[Crispy Ambulance]

Glad to see Cameron finally seeing sense.

Using hounds to kill a fox is more effective than a bullet and the fox will invariably suffer less.

Also this argument that it is just toffs who go hunting is complete boll##ks. I hunt with the Quorn in Leicestershire and am most definitely 'working class' as are many others, both mounted and foot followers.

Will it feck! Hope you fall off your horse and get trampled with long term paralysis being the desired outcome!

 

[junior]

So, how much does it cost you out of your own money to perform this invaluable service to the community. I'm only interested, as I may consider this form of charity myself

What does the cost of it have to do with anything?

 

[Murray 17]

I was shocked to see a fair few hundred people supporting/following the hunt on Boxing Day in Lewes on the local news.

 

[Arkwright]

I'm not saying it's right or wrong however being a townie who lives in to countryside I have seen the mess of a chicken run after a visit by a fox and it's not nice. Foxes are vermin.

Hampshire Hunt is big business in these parts and a lot of those who ride / participate are not rich but enjoy the pastime of horse riding on a farmers private land. I don't know the exact figures but the hunt really don't catch that many foxes, most foxes are shot by the local game keepers and they don't always kill them with one shot which isn't the nicest of deaths for the animal.

Has the ban ever been properly enforced in the countryside?

 

[lawros left foot]

You see you are 'means testing' the participants ??

Why not highlight your concerns from the cruelty aspects and its impact on the foxes population or other reasonable points that make you want it outlawed.

Fair enough. I would like to see a total ban on fox hunting, or any hunting, that the dead animal is killed for the enjoyment of those partaking, this includes so called working class sports as cock fighting, dog fighting, and badger baiting, which are all cruel, and inhumane. Whether the individuals taking part in these atrocities are members of the Royal family, single mothers from sink estates or primary school teachers, they have quite obviously got something missing emotionally and mentally to rejoice in the killing of animals in such a savage and barbaric manner. Junior, the apologist on here for the hunting fraternity, insists that the fox is killed more humanely by hounds than by other means, does this include being run down by hounds over a number of miles, maybe dug out of a hole in ground and made to run until the hounds catch it and tear it to pieces?

 

[Grombleton]

I'm happy to see them ride a horse and kill a fox.

As long as I'm allowed to ride a Dinosaur and rip them apart at the same time.

 

[lawros left foot]

I'm not saying it's right or wrong however being a townie who lives in to countryside I have seen the mess of a chicken run after a visit by a fox and it's not nice. Foxes are vermin.

Hampshire Hunt is big business in these parts and a lot of those who ride / participate are not rich but enjoy the pastime of horse riding on a farmers private land. I don't know the exact figures but the hunt really don't catch that many foxes, most foxes are shot by the local game keepers and they don't always kill them with one shot which isn't the nicest of deaths for the animal.

Has the ban ever been properly enforced in the countryside?

I grew up in the country, we had chickens, we made our hen house fox proof, it isnt that difficult as most of us are intellectually superior to foxes

 

[lawros left foot]

What does the cost of it have to do with anything?

I earn above average wage, I have the normal expenses, could i afford it? How much does it cost you? A reasonable question, if its true you know loads of working class people who do it

 

[Creaky]

Fair enough. I would like to see a total ban on fox hunting, or any hunting, that the dead animal is killed for the enjoyment of those partaking, this includes so called working class sports as cock fighting, dog fighting, and badger baiting, which are all cruel, and inhumane. Whether the individuals taking part in these atrocities are members of the Royal family, single mothers from sink estates or primary school teachers, they have quite obviously got something missing emotionally and mentally to rejoice in the killing of animals in such a savage and barbaric manner. Junior, the apologist on here for the hunting fraternity, insists that the fox is killed more humanely by hounds than by other means, does this include being run down by hounds over a number of miles, maybe dug out of a hole in ground and made to run until the hounds catch it and tear it to pieces?

Those activities you list are already banned - I would like to see fishing added to that list. The three main arguments against fox hunting are - the chase of the fox induces stress on the fox - the death is sometimes cruel and prolonged - it is carried out for the enjoyment of those taking part. All arguments than can be equally leveled at fishing.

I don't understand why, when the vast majority of people are against cruelty to animals simply for pleasure, there isn't a huge outcry against fishing as a leisure activity.

 

[lawros left foot]

Those activities you list are already banned - I would like to see fishing added to that list. The three main arguments against fox hunting are - the chase of the fox induces stress on the fox - the death is sometimes cruel and prolonged - it is carried out for the enjoyment of those taking part. All arguments than can be equally leveled at fishing.

I don't understand why, when the vast majority of people are against cruelty to animals simply for pleasure, there isn't a huge outcry against fishing as a leisure activity.

They maybe banned, but still take place. I really don't know much about fishing, I do know most caught fish are either eaten or returned to the water or so I've been told.

 

[junior]

They maybe banned, but still take place. I really don't know much about fishing, I do know most caught fish are either eaten or returned to the water or so I've been told.

With a bloody great whole in the face. How would you like it if I climbed up on the Amex roof next home game, lower a rope with a hook and grab hold of your jaw. Pull you up 60ft then just pull the hook out and throw you back down to you're seat?

 

[BigGully]

They maybe banned, but still take place. I really don't know much about fishing, I do know most caught fish are either eaten or returned to the water or so I've been told.

You let yourself down with the unknown fishing analogy mate.

 

[lawros left foot]

July

I'm loath get into the same old arguments on here again as sadly some people can't see beyond their 'anti-toff' tinted spectacles and i end up banging my head against a brick wall.

See this previous thread where I provided proof that killing a fox with hounds was more humane than shooting it.

http://www.northstandchat.com/showt...-kers/page3&highlight=support+your+local+hunt

I've just read some of the other thread that you highlight, it's just you repeating over and over ad nauseum, that fox hunting is more humane than other forms of killing, this isn't proof, this is just your opinion

 

[Crispy Ambulance]

With a bloody great whole in the face. How would you like it if I climbed up on the Amex roof next home game, lower a rope with a hook and grab hold of your jaw. Pull you up 60ft then just pull the hook out and throw you back down to you're seat?

I'd love it if you climbed up on the Amex roof - and fell off! Would be even better if on pay per view!

 

[junior]

I earn above average wage, I have the normal expenses, could i afford it? How much does it cost you? A reasonable question, if its true you know loads of working class people who do it

But the debate is over whether fox hunting is cruel and if the ban should be lifted. The costs for those involved has no bearing on that, unless of course you are admitting that your 'anti' stance is purely against the type of people that (in your mind) that enjoy hunting rather than any concerns over animal welfare.