Virgo and Dicker

[BensGrandad]

I accept people might not go along with my thoughts and as I said this was me putting two and two together from stories I was told at the time, leading up to the dismissal of Gus.
But if you were a chairman of a club where your manager had recently got you promoted and had your team in the position to reach the promised land, why would you employ a man who would have a huge influence on that manager and one that had previously sacked him?

Only if that managers aims were higher than you could afford to achieve.

 

[RyFish]

Do you truly believe that?

Do you have ANY evidence to show that's it's not to be believed? Why go to the expense of spending all that money on Burke et al if you do the job yourself? Surely that would be one of the first expenses to be cut.

I don't think anyone could genuinely believe the businessmen are choosing players. They assign a budget, Burke gets the players in. That is there only real input.

 

[spanish flair]

Do you have ANY evidence to show that's it's not to be believed? Why go to the expense of spending all that money on Burke et al if you do the job yourself? Surely that would be one of the first expenses to be cut.

I don't think anyone could genuinely believe the businessmen are choosing players. They assign a budget, Burke gets the players in. That is there only real input.

So no signing is ever approved by Tony Bloom. David Burke and whatever manager at the time just goes ahead and signs them. I wonder who blocked the Grabben deal then?

 

[fleet]

I have been impressed with Virgo - could even be worth a punt as manager?

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

I have been impressed with Virgo - could even be worth a punt as manager?

Or even as an assistant manager....

 

[DJ NOBO]

This is why I struggle with the concept of 'sack Sami and things will be better'.

The midfield was shocking and not creative long before Sami arrrived, why do people think it'll be so much better after he's gone?

Sacking hypia and getting a half decent manager in will probably the difference of relegation or staying up.

 

[Weststander]

Virgo was frank about the Board last night on Radio Sussex. Said that their public comments this Summer (just gone) that "we had a squad fit for the Championship Play-Offs fight this season", simply shouldn't have been made. They should have kept their counsel on that subject.

I wonder if Virgo thought that our squad quality was crap by then, and had fallen alarmingly so over a couple of years? Personally, I was pleased that he didn't lazily blame Hyppia for all the club's woes.

 

[Weststander]

Do you have ANY evidence to show that's it's not to be believed? Why go to the expense of spending all that money on Burke et al if you do the job yourself? Surely that would be one of the first expenses to be cut.

I don't think anyone could genuinely believe the businessmen are choosing players. They assign a budget, Burke gets the players in. That is there only real input.

Where an expensive deal is about to be signed, I'm sure TB would be consulted. The Board wouldn't say to Burke "your net budget this transfer window is £m and you have total autonomy as to how it is spent".

 

[Mutts Nuts]

We've all known The recruitment set up is the issue. I'd say bloom is also VERY difficult to work with.

Are you diagnosing a very severe case of little man syndrome

 

[blockhseagull]

This is why I struggle with the concept of 'sack Sami and things will be better'.

The midfield was shocking and not creative long before Sami arrrived, why do people think it'll be so much better after he's gone?

Because I'm pretty sure another manager won't continue to persist with the weak pairing of JFC and Gardiner..... Overrun and 2nd best every week. Every other part of the team has changed over the last 6 weeks right from the keeper to the striker apart from those 2 and we continue to lose. Penny clearly hasn't dropped with Sami.

 

[aolstudios]

Virgo was frank about the Board last night on Radio Sussex. Said that their public comments this Summer (just gone) that "we had a squad fit for the Championship Play-Offs fight this season", simply shouldn't have been made. They should have kept their counsel on that subject.

I wonder if Virgo thought that our squad quality was crap by then, and had fallen alarmingly so over a couple of years? Personally, I was pleased that he didn't lazily blame Hyppia for all the club's woes.

Half of us did, so I wouldn't be surprised

 

[mattp]

Sacking hypia and getting a half decent manager in will probably the difference of relegation or staying up.

Exactly. What is critical now is getting some wins and some points on the board. With Hyppia in charge, it is difficult to see from where we will get our next point, let alone a win. If he remains as manager, then relegation is all but certain. Change is needed now!

Just as important - although it will take longer to accomplish - is addressing the structure within the club. Hard questions need to be asked of Burke and Barber, and the value they bring (or don't bring, as the case may be) as well as the processes which govern issues like player recruitment and management of the club. But that is not such a quick fix and will take more time to achieve - although it is most certainly needed.

 

[Rogero]

It's the highest paid boardroom in the championship.

 

[Spun Cuppa]

This is why I struggle with the concept of 'sack Sami and things will be better'.

The midfield was shocking and not creative long before Sami arrrived, why do people think it'll be so much better after he's gone?

I don't know if this is a shrewd post, or a comedy post?

Shrewd in the sense that you allude to the club's emerging modus operandi of employing managers who will play the BHA way, emphasising caution rather than gung ho tactics, or a comedy post for assuming that the pattern that has emerged hasn't been noted, and the club will just get another clone in, and continue to play 'our' way, rather than a specialist promotion merchant with more than half a clue?

 

[Spun Cuppa]

It's the highest paid boardroom in the championship.

Quite

As I posted on another thread, the performances on the pitch are inversely proportional to the hype and spin emitted by the suits...

 

[Stat Brother]

I don't know if this is a shrewd post, or a comedy post?

Shrewd in the sense that you allude to the club's emerging modus operandi of employing managers who will play the BHA way, emphasising caution rather than gung ho tactics, or a comedy post for assuming that the pattern that has emerged hasn't been noted, and the club will just get another clone in, and continue to play 'our' way, rather than a specialist promotion merchant with more than half a clue?

More to do with me wondering how much change can be expected when only one cog (and potentially a small one at that) is swapped for another.

 

[DJ NOBO]

My theory on what's going on.

After garcia leaves, decent managers are put off the albion.
we get hypia who is damaged goods and wants to establish himself in English football. He takes the job provided he plays by the rules of Burke and barber.
As we know it hasn't worked out - so why hasn't hypia been sacked ?
Well, as long as he's there it deflects from the real problem - Burke (and his recruitment team) and to a lesser extent , barber.
If hypia goes there will be pressure to recruit an experienced manager. But B and B know an accomplished manager would recognise the existing recruitment system doesn't work. He'd likely want a number of existing staff removed, possibly Burke .
Turkeys tend not to vote for Christmas so we are stuck with a manager that they can control, ensuring their jobs.
Meanwhile the club is nosediving towards relegation.
My worry is Burke, barber etc would sooner protect their own positions than protect the club. Bad news for us fans.

 

[Spun Cuppa]

More to do with me wondering how much change can be expected when only one cog (and potentially a small one at that) is swapped for another.

But look what Poyet and Pulis did at Sunderland and Palace at the end of last season, utilising the squads they inherited, plus a couple of astute signings? Pulled away from the relegation zone and survived, so my point is, a decent manager should be able to take training, sort the wheat from the chaff to the point that the eleven that cross the white line come match day will put up a bit of resistance, and heaven forbid, have a better than even chance of winning...

 

[Stat Brother]

But look what Poyet and Pulis did at Sunderland and Palace at the end of last season, utilising the squads they inherited, plus a couple of astute signings? Pulled away from the relegation zone and survived, so my point is, a decent manager should be able to take training, sort the wheat from the chaff to the point that the eleven that cross the white line come match day will put up a bit of resistance, and heaven forbid, have a better than even chance of winning...

Definitely it'll not take the greatest of leaps to assume things would improve under a new manager.
Especially short term.

But beyond that, how confident are you that a change of manager is all we need.

 

[jessiejames]

Virgo was frank about the Board last night on Radio Sussex. Said that their public comments this Summer (just gone) that "we had a squad fit for the Championship Play-Offs fight this season", simply shouldn't have been made. They should have kept their counsel on that subject.

I wonder if Virgo thought that our squad quality was crap by then, and had fallen alarmingly so over a couple of years? Personally, I was pleased that he didn't lazily blame Hyppia for all the club's woes.

During the game I was listening to scr and Virgo was very critical of Hyppia and tactics and substitution's.