Poyet is to blame for the clubs current position

[cjd]

Yes it is. We had the 8th highest budget and finished 4th

So in essence.....we managed 4 places higher than perhaps our budget indicated ?

Just out of interest, of those 7 clubs with a higher 'budget', were any of them the clubs relegated (or recently relegated with parachute payments) and consequently carrying the 'ne'er do wells' and failure players of relegated Premier football and their ludicrously high contracts ?

 

[JCL - the new kid in town]

And teams like Woves in the past have had one of the highest budgets and have gone down. There is so much Poyet myth on this site it's a joke. He is a money manager, with a big ego, that the press laps up. What has he got on his cv One div 1 championship and a failed play off campaign, that's it. There a plenty of manager's ahead of Poyet, but because they don't all shoot off at the mouth, every chance they get people just dismiss them. Poyet isn't a patch on Pullis, Warnock, Dyche and many others.

Are you not contradicting yourself? You say its straightforward for a team full of million pound players and internationals to make the playoffs and then you bring wolves up? Their manager must have been completely useless.

 

[JCL - the new kid in town]

Does anyone else think he took bridcutt and Buckley out of spite unsettling both players, Bridcutt never gets a game and Buckley admitted his head was turned by sunderland(poyet) .

Bridcutt got quite a few games last year and Buckley seems to be playing whenever I've checked so he took them out of spite and then played them? It's not spite, managers frequently try and get players they worked with previously partly because they know them very well and less of a gamble and partly as they are used to the systems. I think buckleys head was turned that January when he got the new deal, he didn't ever to quite hit that form after that

 

[KZNSeagull]

The "clubs current position" is remarkably similar to long runs under both Poyet and Garcia - playing well but cannot score, only this season we are creating far more chances. Not sure we can blame Poyet for that.

 

[dingodan]

Somebody somewhere shat our future all over the opposition dressing room floor.

I wonder if they knew how expensive that log would turn out to be?

 

[jimbob5]

I think it's largely the fans fault. This may get some thumbs down but due to the results we've had (4th and 6th) there's this automatic assumption that we should be better than that and we should be pissing this league, whilst doing a disservice to the other 23 clubs all vying for the same thing. We've done really, really well in the 3 years we've been in the league but we should never, ever presume that we have a right to be a certain place in the league.
We're in probably the most competitive league in the world and are what I would call an 'established' championship club who other teams respect and not necessarily enjoy playing due to our style and ability to harm them. All that doesn't mean we should go up and anything less is a failure.
We've seen in recent years Burnley be one of the favourite for relegation and go up automatically. We've seen Reading start badly and go up. We've seen Palace struggle one year and go up the next - it's the unpredictability that makes it so hard to call - the fact that 4 points separate the top 10 teams shows the task ahead for all clubs.
I always hold hope that we'll win every game, but I'm not going to level blame at any one person (whether that be past or present) for where we finish or where we are now. It is what it is and we deal with it at the time, whether we're 1st or 24th.

Your post should be printed off and sent to the club as the broad view of the majority of fans. I had a run in with a bed wetter fan on Yahoo on the subject. I'm always heartened by fans with a realistic outlook but cringe at the fans who think we should automatically be in the Prem. You have to earn respect. RE Poyet: He was good but his style of play was sussible and his transfer dealings good albeit not faultless. He was a tad impatient and openly admitted his own ambitions before the club. Ultimately that becomes untenable. Don't forget the past but don't live in it.

 

[Triggaaar]

TB is rightly now very cautious with the purse strings after Poyet under achieved with a good budget and total control over the club.

We won league 1, had a decent season in the championship and then finished 4th, despite having a budget lower than about 8 other clubs. How that is underachieving I have no idea.

 

[El Presidente]

And teams like Woves in the past have had one of the highest budgets and have gone down. There is so much Poyet myth on this site it's a joke. He is a money manager, with a big ego, that the press laps up. What has he got on his cv One div 1 championship and a failed play off campaign, that's it. There a plenty of manager's ahead of Poyet, but because they don't all shoot off at the mouth, every chance they get people just dismiss them. Poyet isn't a patch on Pullis, Warnock, Dyche and many others.

Didn't Sunderland get to the cup final last season and beat Chelsea, Man U, City?

 

[W.C.]

Didn't Sunderland get to the cup final last season and beat Chelsea, Man U, City?

not to mention avoid relegation

 

[One Love]

No he didn't. Undoing it would be him causing us to fall back to the depths of League One. The good work was still done.

I think what he means is that the way Poyet departed and Garcia appointed late that summer meant we lost momentum and have been stuttering ever since.

We sneaked into the play-offs in an easy division last year knowing we were nowhere near the quality of the top 3 and now we are struggling to get going.

While Gus was here we were moving forward nicely and the acrimonious split put paid to that.

 

[Justice]

As Albion managers go you could say Barry L was more successful than Poyet.

 

[Don Quixote]

Yeah, because no one else could have spent the millions he spent on transfers and players wages and got us to the Championship could they. Hang on a minute, two past managers got us there on peanuts and playing at a make shift stadium.

When did he spend millions in league 1?

 

[brightonbaz]

Too many unforced errors from players is contributing to current results. Stockdale in particular but others also.....reduce these and with a quality front man then results will improve

 

[sir albion]

You could say we over spent in that last poyet year,but our budget will always be mid table because of parachute payments.Poyet has gone and thank Fack for that

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Poyet is to blame,without him we would be stuck in league 1 still......madness is this thread.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Your post should be printed off and sent to the club as the broad view of the majority of fans. I had a run in with a bed wetter fan on Yahoo on the subject. I'm always heartened by fans with a realistic outlook but cringe at the fans who think we should automatically be in the Prem. You have to earn respect. RE Poyet: He was good but his style of play was sussible and his transfer dealings good albeit not faultless. He was a tad impatient and openly admitted his own ambitions before the club. Ultimately that becomes untenable. Don't forget the past but don't live in it.

I don't get why that is the case?

Micky Adams in his first spell repeatedly said he wanted to manage at a higher level, he left us to take up a role at Premier League Leicester as assistant manager.

We are not a club that will be able to get the sort of manager who is well established and considered highly successful due to wages and the simple fact that there will be more attractive jobs out there for them.

The next best and what we can hope for is the next generation of these managers, but are yet to fuill prove themselves or are just starting out in management and our last 3 managers all fit this profile. (Poyet, 1st managers job, Garcia's 2nd and Hyppia's 2nd)

I'd rather have an ambitious manager because he needs to be successful if he wants to progress his career, and if he is aiming very high (like Poyet and Chelsea or Spurs) than he has to earn a reputation to get himself into the frame. By being vocal and appearing in the press (something Poyet is getting criticised for) he is being high profile and this can only help to attract the better new players we are after because they feel the manager could go places and the existing players try harder to impress so that if he does move on, they may be taken with him (Bridcutt and Buckley prove this) - If we have a no name, run of the mill manager in charge, it won't help persuede players to join us if they think another club has a more high profile manager (as the players profile is also raise as the media, etc, pay more attention to the club) - Did Garcia fail to attract some of our targets because he wasn't that well known in the UK?

I like having a manager who is passionate, motivated and has something to prove rather than someone who has been there and has nothing left motivate them or they know that they have reached as high as they are likely to ever go as a manager and drift through the rest of their career.

 

[El Presidente]

So in essence.....we managed 4 places higher than perhaps our budget indicated ?

Just out of interest, of those 7 clubs with a higher 'budget', were any of them the clubs relegated (or recently relegated with parachute payments) and consequently carrying the 'ne'er do wells' and failure players of relegated Premier football and their ludicrously high contracts ?

You mean clubs with Premier League players whose parachute payments give them a £20 million head start over the Albion? All of them.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

I think what he means is that the way Poyet departed and Garcia appointed late that summer meant we lost momentum and have been stuttering ever since.

By finishing only 2 places lower with a depleted squad due to injuries?

We sneaked into the play-offs in an easy division last year knowing we were nowhere near the quality of the top 3 and now we are struggling to get going.

While Gus was here we were moving forward nicely and the acrimonious split put paid to that.

Had Gus stayed (which was highly unlikely anyway as it was his decision to go as seen pre the Palace game in March) do you think we would have progressed further? - Do you think we could have come 3rd the next and will finish 2nd this if we hadn't gone up throught the play-offs last season?

Opposition tactics change to suit the team they are playing, when we finished 4th, we weren't expected too and therefore surprised a lot of teams on the way, they came to the Amex seeking the win and this gave us more space to attack them. However, nowadays we are seen as a tough team to play against (especially at home) and teams set up to play for a draw by putting a lot of players behind the ball and denying us the space to attack in when in their half. We saw this with Cardiff in the last home game, they were relegated last season and yet still stuck most of their players behind the ball, they defended deep, denying us space and they would have been happy with a 0-0 or a sneaky 1-0 win. They hardly had a shot all match and rarely troubled our goal despite our being 19th at the time and this was a game were we were playing against one of the better squads in the division in Cardiff, so a team looking to finish mid-table or just to avoid relegation is going to have even less ambition to try to win the match. (this is also part of the reason we find goals so hard to get)

Maybe 4th was Poyets peak and had he stayed, we may have finished outside the play-offs the next, you just don't know.

 

[Barham's tash]

Amazing. The best attribute he had was starting attacks when getting the ball from the CB. Holla is probably as good or better but if LB was in the team Holla could cause more damage up top.

And that's why football is great, it's all about opinions.

I felt that he never really knew his niche under Garcia (perhaps his head was turned too much by then and of course
Post injury) but under Sami I think it wouldn't work because that player needs a range of passing capabilities, something that Holla possesses and Bridders never did.

Very good at spoiling play and laying off five yards and holding but all of the midfielders advance this season as we play a much higher line.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

I said it at the time and nothing has yet happened to change my belief that:

Not doing more to keep Gus was one of the greatest mistakes in the history of the club.

By doing what? - spending £30 million, £40 million, £50 million..... on players with no guarentee of promotion? Whens enough and where do you draw the line? and you assume people at the club have this to actually spend in the first place?

We fought for years to save this club and to get a new ground and you want to risk it all and the clubs future chasing what could be 1 season only in the Premier League?

Why spend the money you would get in parachute payments trying to get up to be in reciept of parachute payments about equal to what you spent? again with no guarentee of promotion and ever getting them?

This reminds me of the first few seasons at Withdean, we overachieved early with back to back promotions and that lead to the expectation of Championship football when in reality we were a smaller, lower league team than that. 2 near misses in the Championship and now there are those who view us as a Premier League side and we are not.

When we were playing our last season at Withdean, the vast majority of supporters would have been happy with just surviving in the Championship and becoming an established Championship side (with occasional visits to the PL as a bonus) now this is seen as a failure by some,
it just comes across as selfish personal (and fairly unrealistic) demands about the club because they want to see PL football and not interested in what realistic or in the best interests of the club long term.

We have no right to promotion, we have around 10 teams with parachute payments who earn more form that that we do from most of our revenue streams and they still have all their other revenue streams on top of that. To be reckless with finances could just spell bankruptcy, losing the ground and relegation or extinction but hey, what does that matter if it means we might get to watch teams like Arsenal, Man City and so on... if we spend what we don't have, maybe they want us to be the next Pompey?