Islamic court permits pregnant woman to give birth before she is hanged

[carlzeiss]

these are from islamic scriptures

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

 

[chimneys]

My point is that it's a daft argument. It's like suggesting a Norwegian is responsible for anything bad done by any Norwegians, or a Vegetarian, or a Landscape Gardener, you get my drift?

I do, albeit its the Sudanese Government which is approving this barbaric act, and not just an individual.

And my point was following up on yours in that I assume Hybrid X is as vocally outraged by the countless human rights abuses perpetrated by North Korea.

 

[GreersElbow]

I like religion, but I believe that the problem with Islam is that it is political. Religion has absolutely no place in courts.

Turkey found the right balance, often religion is what binds a country together and can be a unifying unit in statehood. IMO, the biggest problem Islam faces is sectarianism within its own religion. Syria is now just a big clusterfu*k of extremist organisations who've now just decided to start fighting one another rather than Assad. Some are extreme Shi'te, others extreme sunni...so there's a power struggle within the rebellion, Assad's regaining control and innocent Muslims or either sect are being murdered because of the direction they prey in.

In one aspect; good for the West. We have terror groups killing each other. The other is that it's adding fuel to the sectarian divide in Islam that has existed for some time now.

 

[Mellotron]

I think you need to read the quote again as it is grammatically correct. Good people - plural, evil things - plural, in the singular it would be a good person doing an evil thing.

My point still stands. It's saying it takes religion for good people to do evil. If good people are "doing" evil, how are they good? It's a paradox.

 

[Bold Seagull]

My point still stands. It's saying it takes religion for good people to do evil. If good people are "doing" evil, how are they good? It's a paradox.

It's not. If you are taking the quote as written, then a good person is good up until the point they perform an evil act. The point of the quote is that religion can be a belief system that can influence a good person to believe they are undertaking an righteous act even though it is an evil one. This has been true through the ages, after all Abraham was quite willing to sacrifice his son because he thought that is what God wanted. As it turned out, he butchered a ram instead, but I've always wondered how Issac and his Dad got on after that!?

 

[Mellotron]

It's not. If you are taking the quote as written, then a good person is good up until the point they perform an evil act. The point of the quote is that religion can be a belief system that can influence a good person to believe they are undertaking an righteous act even though it is an evil one. This has been true through the ages, after all Abraham was quite willing to sacrifice his son because he thought that is what God wanted. As it turned out, he butchered a ram instead, but I've always wondered how Issac and his Dad got on after that!?

Not sure I agree. The quote suggests that religion can make good people do evil things. I would put forward the argument that if they are good people, they wouldn't do evil things. If they are doing evil things, they are evil people, as how else can you define evil people other than through their actions?

 

[Orson Cart]

If you're a Muslim on this forum - then have the balls to unequivocally condemn this barbarous act.

 

[daveinprague]

What the court has said it will do, and what wil actually happen, are miles apart i would imagine.
No sentence would be carried out, however bizarre, until breast feeding (2 years) is complete.
I seriously doubt if this 'sentence' will be carried out.

Although, im not a muslim, my gf is (although, in name, and not practice..ie, like most muslims I know).

 

[Westdene Seagull]

It never ceases to amaze me how the supposedly intelligent and advanced human race still continues destroy and fight itself because of a bunch of fairy tales. We might as well argue and start wars about which of the three pigs was fattest or whether Snow White was a virgin.

 

[daveinprague]

It never ceases to amaze me how the supposedly intelligent and advanced human race still continues destroy and fight itself because of a bunch of fairy tales. We might as well argue and start wars about which of the three pigs was fattest or whether Snow White was a virgin.

We actually agree...religion is a load of crap in my opinion, but people have the right to believe in bullshit if they want

 

[maltaseagull]

The majority of Muslims are peace loving. Unfortunately this does not make the headlines.

Seriously? That makes it ok ?

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

What's the betting that the "Judge" is a whoring drunk?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Not sure I agree. The quote suggests that religion can make good people do evil things. I would put forward the argument that if they are good people, they wouldn't do evil things. If they are doing evil things, they are evil people, as how else can you define evil people other than through their actions?

Why do you think that the descent into fanaticism is called a conversion, or converting? It is a fanatical or extreme belief that can lead people to undertake an evil act believing the act to be good, regardless of religion.

 

[hybrid_x]

If one reads about lifestyle and culture from the very early ages, this was nothing strange. It's no surprise that you fail to apply historical context in your 'critique', and just stinks of what the EDL et al say.

oh foolish man - the issue is that many still devote their lives and souls to a man who 'did' those things.

the jesus and buddha 'archetypes' didn't do those things. hence it strange for a modern world to still "love" mohammed.

you can wrap up 30,40,100 (whatever) odd subjects under "conspiracy theories" - but if you want to talk about one particular subject i am more than happy to.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Like any religion, it has many parts, some fighting each other, some living peacefully, some fighting everyone that doesn't believe what they do. As the Nobel Prize winning physicist Steven Weinberg said;

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

What about the possibility, nay fact, that good people can be inspired to do more good things because of their religion, or that evil people can actually be turned to do good things by their religion..... like John newton, who wrote "Amazing Grace".

This is not to deny, though, that a great deal of bad has been done and continues to be done in the name of religion.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I like religion, but I believe that the problem with Islam is that it is political. Religion has absolutely no place in courts.

It was Archbishop Desmond Tutu who said something along the lines of "anybody who says that religion and politics don't mix is reading a different bible to the one that I am."

 

[Mellotron]

Why do you think that the descent into fanaticism is called a conversion, or converting? It is a fanatical or extreme belief that can lead people to undertake an evil act believing the act to be good, regardless of religion.

Or maybe they're just not a good person? I'm sure the vast majority of people "doing" evil think they are doing good. Nothing to do with religion, that.

 

[hybrid_x]

If mainstream christianity is built on lies (proof by research of gnosticism, hermeticism, or rosacrucianism), and Islam is built around an evil man (research Mohammed)......then it matters not if a "good acting person" follows either.

the "good acting man" still stands upon toxic foundations (lies or evil).

Religion doesn't "create" good people. It's the notions in the man himself, sometimes wih help through deity archetypes, that createsthe good.

Nobody has to be in any religion or follow any rules to align with any of the thousands of deity archetypes that exist - no matter where their root comes from.

 

[Tony Towner's Fridge]

Hanging..disgraceful. What happened to good old Stoning?

Look. I-- I'd had a lovely supper, and all I said to my wife was, 'That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah.'

TNBA

TTF

 

[Bold Seagull]

Hanging..disgraceful. What happened to good old Stoning?

Look. I-- I'd had a lovely supper, and all I said to my wife was, 'That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah.'

TNBA

TTF

You're only going to make it worse for yourself.