Private seat license

[clippedgull]

The official ticket exchange is a valid idea, but I can only imagine the club activating the facility if a game is sold out. Otherwise they would be getting less revenue per match if money or credit was going back to the STH.

On another point was it possible to buy a PSL in the family stand? I'm guessing the answer would be no for obvious reasons! But, surely a couple of PSL's there (if allowed) could show a reasonably early (a few years) return on investment.

 

[Simontheseagull]

STH's will always get first refusal on renewing their seat (the same seat), as they always have. Someone purchasing a PSL will not be able to oust an existing STH from their seat before that STH has had the option of renewing. Ken Brown was pinned down on this point at our presentation and confirmed it.

Thats what Freddie Sheppard at Newcastle said in the mid nineties when Newcastle developed their ground. In the early nineties he then moved some fans around even though they thought they had the right to remain in their seats providing they renewed their season tickets. What does it say in the existing terms and conditions for the STH you have just bought, or are you just going to rely on what Ken Brown has said to you verbally at a presentation? May I say Ken Brown is a good bloke and I do not believe he would deliberately fib to sell season tickets, but circumstances can change over time.

The club will have a problem if season tickets are fully sold each year and there is a waiting list, juniors in in the family area beome adults, babies currently too young to attend matches want to start watching the Albion with existing STHs etc, and the club feels it needs to do everything it can to keep existing fans happy. As someone has said in another post, the club has not yet decided what to do with juniors becoming adults, or babies becoming junior seagulls. There is only one reasonable option, and if someone has not paid for a PSL, is it a big deal to be moved a couple of seats further along in the same row, or one or two rows backwards or forwards to accomodate other existing STHs with family members?

The club has so far acted reasonaly in giving loyal Withdean STHs priority in choosing the best Amex seats on moving into the new stadium, and has then given Amex STHs the option to purchase PSLs to retain those best seats for ever if they want to. The club will also have to act reasonably in the future to accomodate family STHs, so don't be surprised if some STHs without PSLs are moved around in future years.

One thing I do not think the current directors will do is sell PSLs to fans at the start of each season and then give these fans holding a PSL priority in choosing the best seats in the stadium not taken by exsiting PSL STHs. Some unscrupulous directors would do this though, so lets hope our existing directors are around for a long time to come. Lets also hope that the ground capacity is increased to 30,000 becuase if it is there is less likely to be a STH waiting list.

 

[Easy 10]

Thats what Freddie Sheppard at Newcastle said in the mid nineties when Newcastle developed their ground. In the early nineties he then moved some fans around even though they thought they had the right to remain in their seats providing they renewed their season tickets. What does it say in the existing terms and conditions for the STH you have just bought, or are you just going to rely on what Ken Brown has said to you verbally at a presentation? May I say Ken Brown is a good bloke and I do not believe he would deliberately fib to sell season tickets, but circumstances can change over time.

The club will have a problem if season tickets are fully sold each year and there is a waiting list, juniors in in the family area beome adults, babies currently too young to attend matches want to start watching the Albion with existing STHs etc, and the club feels it needs to do everything it can to keep existing fans happy. As someone has said in another post, the club has not yet decided what to do with juniors becoming adults, or babies becoming junior seagulls. There is only one reasonable option, and if someone has not paid for a PSL, is it a big deal to be moved a couple of seats further along in the same row, or one or two rows backwards or forwards to accomodate other existing STHs with family members?

The club has so far acted reasonaly in giving loyal Withdean STHs priority in choosing the best Amex seats on moving into the new stadium, and has then given Amex STHs the option to purchase PSLs to retain those best seats for ever if they want to. The club will also have to act reasonably in the future to accomodate family STHs, so don't be surprised if some STHs without PSLs are moved around in future years.

One thing I do not think the current directors will do is sell PSLs to fans at the start of each season and then give these fans holding a PSL priority in choosing the best seats in the stadium not taken by exsiting PSL STHs. Some unscrupulous directors would do this though, so lets hope our existing directors are around for a long time to come. Lets also hope that the ground capacity is increased to 30,000 becuase if it is there is less likely to be a STH waiting list.

Thats the key - the club needs to do all it can to keep existing STH's happy. And that does not involve shunting them around the stadium to accomodate family stand STH's who have "come of age" and want to move.

I'm in a group of 21 STH's, we are "clustered" together in 3 rows (of 7, 7 and 7), we have 3 aisle seats right next to an exit, exactly where we want to be. Thats about £10,000's worth of annual custom they'd be royally pissing off if they started trying to shift us around, and I simply don't believe we will arrive at a set of circumstances at this stadium that will ever cause that to be necessary. The expansion would take care of any potential issues anyway, and quite honestly I cannot envisage a time when 30k would be insufficient week in-week out.

Of course nothings ever certain in life, but I don't have Bloom/Brown pegged as a Freddy Shepherd-type who would bump existing paying customers around the stadium willy-nilly.

 

[clippedgull]

Thats the key - the club needs to do all it can to keep existing STH's happy. And that does not involve shunting them around the stadium to accomodate family stand STH's who have "come of age" and want to move.

I'm in a group of 21 STH's, we are "clustered" together in 3 rows (of 7, 7 and 7), we have 3 aisle seats right next to an exit, exactly where we want to be. Thats about £10,000's worth of annual custom they'd be royally pissing off if they started trying to shift us around, and I simply don't believe we will arrive at a set of circumstances at this stadium that will ever cause that to be necessary. The expansion would take care of any potential issues anyway, and quite honestly I cannot envisage a time when 30k would be insufficient week in-week out.

Of course nothings ever certain in life, but I don't have Bloom/Brown pegged as a Freddy Shepherd-type who would bump existing paying customers around the stadium willy-nilly.

I don't ever think there will come a time when you will be shifted, but of course the club can re-grade areas and charge a premium (higher ST prices) for different sections as they do now.

As an example, maybe the central WSU would be re-graded to 1901 club, in line with the WSL central area. Not saying it would happen, but i'm sure the t&c's would give the club licence to do that in the future.

 

[Simontheseagull]

Thats the key - the club needs to do all it can to keep existing STH's happy. And that does not involve shunting them around the stadium to accomodate family stand STH's who have "come of age" and want to move.

I'm in a group of 21 STH's, we are "clustered" together in 3 rows (of 7, 7 and 7), we have 3 aisle seats right next to an exit, exactly where we want to be. Thats about £10,000's worth of annual custom they'd be royally pissing off if they started trying to shift us around, and I simply don't believe we will arrive at a set of circumstances at this stadium that will ever cause that to be necessary. The expansion would take care of any potential issues anyway, and quite honestly I cannot envisage a time when 30k would be insufficient week in-week out.



Of course nothings ever certain in life, but I don't have Bloom/Brown pegged as a Freddy Shepherd-type who would bump existing paying customers around the stadium willy-nilly.

Ok, so you are in a group of 21, and sooner or later some of you might have kids that you want to bring along as new STHs, so your party size increases to 24. What would you like the club to do to accomodate your increased party size so that it doesn't lose over £10,000 of custom?

 

[Easy 10]

I don't ever think there will come a time when you will be shifted, but of course the club can re-grade areas and charge a premium (higher ST prices) for different sections as they do now.

As an example, maybe the central WSU would be re-graded to 1901 club, in line with the WSL central area. Not saying it would happen, but i'm sure the t&c's would give the club licence to do that in the future.

What difference would having a PSL make if they did that ? I'd still have to pay the upgraded season ticket price regardless of whether it was a PSL seat or not.

 

[Easy 10]

Ok, so you are in a group of 21, and sooner or later some of you might have kids that you want to bring along as new STHs, so your party size increases to 24. What would you like the club to do to accomodate your increased party size so that it doesn't lose over £10,000 of custom?

TBH we've got a sprinkling of JCL's in our group anyway, so I doubt we'll maintain all 21 seats forever. Of course, with none of us taking up PSL's, it does mean that we could end up with "strangers" amongst us if and when some of our party decide not to renew (unless we sneakily transfer it to someone else we know without telling the club). But I don't think our party will ever get larger than it is now for this inaugural season.

 

[clippedgull]

What difference would having a PSL make if they did that ? I'd still have to pay the upgraded season ticket price regardless of whether it was a PSL seat or not.

I dunno!!

But maybe PSL's would get some sort of priority on re-positioning if the increase was too great? Anyway as said, this would be years off from happening, if ever!

 

[Simontheseagull]

TBH we've got a sprinkling of JCL's in our group anyway, so I doubt we'll maintain all 21 seats forever. Of course, with none of us taking up PSL's, it does mean that we could end up with "strangers" amongst us if and when some of our party decide not to renew (unless we sneakily transfer it to someone else we know without telling the club). But I don't think our party will ever get larger than it is now for this inaugural season.

Fair enough. As you have said, if your party size decreases you may have "strangers" sitting amongst you if you do not have PSLs that you can transfer or sell on to ensure your group can still sit together. Sounds like you have some really good seats though that you might want to "protect"!!

Hopefully you can see my point though about parties that might want to increase in size. I am sure there will be movements in party sizes upwards and downwards, and if a STH does not hold a PSL, there will be seat movements, some voluntary and probably some involuntary, so that the club can accomodate as many family and friends requests as possible.

 

[Easy 10]

Hopefully you can see my point though about parties that might want to increase in size. I am sure there will be movements in party sizes upwards and downwards, and if a STH does not hold a PSL, there will be seat movements, some voluntary and probably some involuntary, so that the club can accomodate as many family and friends requests as possible.

I'm just not convinced of that. Why would they move, or even worse split up an existing group of friends/family STH's to accomodate new requests - even if the new requestor is looking to buy a PSL ? For the sake of a one-off £500, you're potentially pissing off a loyal and existing revenue stream.

Maybe there could be certain instances whereby a pair of STH's might be asked to move to accomodate a potential large group who could be shoe-horned in, but even then I have my doubts.

 

[desprateseagull]

can these be openly traded, or do the club have first dibs if someone dies / wants to cash in?

 

[Evalouise]

To my understanding,if you move out of the country or your son goes off to Uni etc, you would still own the rights of that seat and you can sell it on for that time its not used. It means you don't lose your spot in the stadium by getting someone to use the seat during that time. Once you want to come back, you just change your name back to the original user. This is the benefit of owning your seat.
Plus, I've been told there are only 200 singular seats doted around the stadium left. so your seats are becoming more valuable if you wish to sell them on in the future for what ever reason

 

[Evalouise]

these can be openly traded on yourself and then the club is contacted with the new owner details. Or you can use the website to trade them on to the waiting list

 

[Bold Seagull]

I was told that they have kept back seats in every section for any unforeseen circumstances, access or view problems etc. It gives them some flexibility so that no one block is 100% season ticket holders.

 

[Evalouise]

I was told that they have kept back seats in every section for any unforeseen circumstances, access or view problems etc. It gives them some flexibility so that no one block is 100% season ticket holders.

its a non restricted stadium so there wouldn't be any viewing problems. There is one block in the lower west on the wing closest to the North stand that has kept back 1000 seats for match by match sales

 

[Easy 10]

Evalouise - are you connected to the club in some way ?

 

[Evalouise]

Evalouise - are you connected to the club in some way ?

what gives you that idea

 

[Bold Seagull]

its a non restricted stadium so there wouldn't be any viewing problems. There is one block in the lower west on the wing closest to the North stand that has kept back 1000 seats for match by match sales

There should be no viewing problems, but there could be unforeseen circumstances like a very small person next to a stairwell surround, or in front of a barrier. Who knows. I was emailed by Paul McGowan directly on this point.

 

[Easy 10]

what gives you that idea

You just seem fairly well informed.

We don't get that much on here.

 

[Evalouise]

You just seem fairly well informed.

We don't get that much on here.

I've got my connections...