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[Albion] Fati Goal. Offside?



Flagship

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Jan 15, 2018
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Perhaps someone who understands the offside law could explain why Fati's goal was subjected to an offside review. There was a Villa player off the pitch beyond the goal line. Surely he would count as a defender wouldn't he.
 






Djmiles

Barndoor Holroyd
Dec 1, 2005
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Kitchener, Canada
Perhaps someone who understands the offside law could explain why Fati's goal was subjected to an offside review. There was a Villa player off the pitch beyond the goal line. Surely he would count as a defender wouldn't he.
You have to have two players between yourself and the goal line. They were checking to see if Fati was closer to the goal than Martinez.
 


A1X

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Sep 1, 2017
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They allowed it out of sympathy
 


Baldseagull

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Jan 26, 2012
10,993
Crawley
Perhaps someone who understands the offside law could explain why Fati's goal was subjected to an offside review. There was a Villa player off the pitch beyond the goal line. Surely he would count as a defender wouldn't he.
Yes, and he did. however he was also close to level with Martinez, which had he been in front of, would have placed him offside. Took far too long to decide, but it merited a look.
 






Questions

Habitual User
Oct 18, 2006
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Worthing
So a defender could in reality step off the pitch to gain his side an advantage?
Unlikely I know but.
 


One Teddy Maybank

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Aug 4, 2006
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When a player leaves the field of play, he needs to re-establish………

Oh wrong sport

Nope, haven’t seen the replay, but at the time nobody in the stand seemed to know.

Haven’t seen the foul on Solly either yet for their second, but it looked a definite one from where I was….
 






Bakero

Languidly clinical
Oct 9, 2010
13,832
Almería
So a defender could in reality step off the pitch to gain his side an advantage?
Unlikely I know but.

No, the guy off the pitch was involved. In terms of judging the offside he was on the goal line. In effect he was in the position the keeper would often be (last man) and Martinez was the last outfield defender we were judging the offside on.

Martinez was marginally further back than Fati, so playing him onside. Shouldn't have even been an issue anyway though as looked like the Villa player made the pass.
 


Seagull58

In the Algarve
Jan 31, 2012
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Vilamoura, Portugal
When a player leaves the field of play, he needs to re-establish………

Oh wrong sport

Nope, haven’t seen the replay, but at the time nobody in the stand seemed to know.

Haven’t seen the foul on Solly either yet for their second, but it looked a definite one from where I was….
Yes, it was a clear foul but Attwell, who useless, bent or both, decided it was far enough back in the play for the defence to reset. Nonsense decision from a moron stealing a living.
 




Icy Gull

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Jul 5, 2003
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Yes, it was a clear foul but Attwell, who useless, bent or both, decided it was far enough back in the play for the defence to reset. Nonsense decision from a moron stealing a living.
It was a foul, a free kick should have been given immediately so the goal should not have stood. It was a clear and obvious error by the ref not to have given it, but it was Attwell on VAR and he’s got history in f***ing us over.
 


Easy 10

Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Jul 5, 2003
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Wasn't the ball played backwards before it reached Fati ? He had to adjust as it was played behind him
 






Kalimantan Gull

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Aug 13, 2003
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They drew the lines on Martinez because, as many say, the guy off the pitch counted as being on the line. Fati was just onside - just, it was close.

The reason they took so long to check was to see if Pedro or the defender had played the ball. If they'd done the lines first then they could have saved a minute.
 




Baldseagull

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Jan 26, 2012
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Crawley
Wasn't the ball played backwards before it reached Fati ? He had to adjust as it was played behind him
Yes, it was played backwards, but the rule just says when the ball is played, not when the ball is played forward, I used to think the ball had to be played forward too.
 


Gabbafella

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Aug 22, 2012
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As others have said, if there is a defender off the pitch then for the purposes of the offside rule he is thought of as being on the goal line and the keeper then becomes the last defender.
Attwell (wanker) really tried his hardest to chalk it off.
 




Kalimantan Gull

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Aug 13, 2003
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Central Borneo / the Lizard
No, the guy off the pitch was involved. In terms of judging the offside he was on the goal line. In effect he was in the position the keeper would often be (last man) and Martinez was the last outfield defender we were judging the offside on.

Martinez was marginally further back than Fati, so playing him onside. Shouldn't have even been an issue anyway though as looked like the Villa player made the pass.
It was really interesting because the villa defender kicked the back of Pedro's boot, which was touching the ball, in effect making the pass. As Pedro was last to touch it, it presumably counts as his pass. But I was wondering if, had Fati been offside, we'd have got a penalty as the defender made no contact with the ball.
 


Icy Gull

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Jul 5, 2003
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It was really interesting because the villa defender kicked the back of Pedro's boot, which was touching the ball, in effect making the pass. As Pedro was last to touch it, it presumably counts as his pass. But I was wondering if, had Fati been offside, we'd have got a penalty as the defender made no contact with the ball.
You know the answer to your last point!
 


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