The Beatles

[Sid in the Sharknado]

Quoasis doesn't do it for this idiot

I'm sure past me will welcome your incorrect opinions on whatever thread that was on
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[Machiavelli]

I'm sure past me will welcome your incorrect opinions on whatever thread that was on
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The Beatles, on the other hand...

PS I've been reluctant to dive into this thread, because I don't focus on lyrics (although the odd ones capture my attention: Dylan, Cohen, Holliday, Simone, Yorke), love Roy Orbison, adore The Beatles but rank them in the following order -- John, George, Paul, Ringo -- and think Paul is a stunning bass player.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

I'm pretty sure I've written on here before, there's no point in slightly holding an opinion.

Edit: now that I think about it, I think I was claiming that anybody who doesn't like Oasis is an idiot at the time

Just for you

https://youtu.be/2P_m2cIVQ-Y

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

The Beatles, on the other hand...

PS I've been reluctant to dive into this thread, because I don't focus on lyrics (although the odd ones capture my attention: Dylan, Cohen, Holliday, Simone, Yorke), love Roy Orbison, adore The Beatles but rank them in the following order -- John, George, Paul, Ringo -- and think Paul is a stunning bass player.

I'm not a lyrics person either, I can happily listen to a Dylan album without paying any attention to the lyrics at all. But I think quibbling over the lyrics of a Beatles song is missing the point slightly, as much as you'd miss the point of a Clash song if you focused on the guitar solo.

And yes, Paul is a damn good bass player.

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

Just for you

https://youtu.be/2P_m2cIVQ-Y

It has a bit of a Rubber Soul vibe to it doesn't it

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

It has a bit of a Rubber Soul vibe to it doesn't it

Yes, it’s shite too.

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

Yes, it’s shite too.

I dig the aeolian cadences

 

[Stato]

Yes, we get it. You don't rate The Beatles.

Actually, I do own a few of their albums and I do rate quite a few of their songs: Something, In My Life, Ballad Of John & Yoko, We Can Work It Out, Getting Better, Here Comes The Sun off the top of my head. Its a section of The Beatles' fans that I have a problem with: the kind that see them as above and apart from their peers, working in isolation and pretty much beyond criticism. It wasn't a prevalent view during my post-punk teen years, even after Lennon's tragic murder. It seemed to emerge with the CD era, when pop music seemed to stop being the prerogative of the young and to start being reclaimed and classified into canon by the previous generations looking to solidify their nostalgia into something of import.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

That was my mum's complaint. She and her friend wanted to hear them, but couldn't.

As you can probably guess, I was more interested in asking her what Roy Orbison was like. She couldn't remember. They only went because The Beatles were supporting. I'm not sure they even stayed for Roy. He was, according to Presley, the greatest rock'n'roll singer ever, but he wasn't going to be winning the affections of teenage girls in the mid sixties. I remember seeing him on an old repeat of 'The Wheeltappers and Shunters Club' on late night TV a decade or so ago. To think that he was turning a quid on the club circuit in the seventies reminds me a bit of last week's thread about Radostin Kishishev playing a season for us at the Withdean.

I was a teenager and was at the Hippodrome in 1963. Teenage girls did love Roy Orbison too.

You remind me of a literature student. How to ruin a good book? Study it for O or A level and analyse it to death.
We didn’t analyse any music, we just lived it and loved it.

 

[Stato]

I was a teenager and was at the Hippodrome in 1963. Teenage girls did love Roy Orbison too.

Glad to hear that. My mum was quite dismissive of him.

You remind me of a literature student. How to ruin a good book? Study it for O or A level and analyse it to death.
We didn’t analyse any music, we just lived it and loved it.

Living and loving music and thinking about it are in no way mutually exclusive. The reaction to music is a spiritual not an intellectual thing, but thinking about that reaction has never ruined a record for me. I have studied literature, among other things and you'll notice that my contributions to music threads, and quite a lot of other threads, generally contain similar levels of over-analysed undergraduate drivel. I only seem to get called out for it when I say that I don't think the Beatles were as great as the consensus does.

 

[The Clamp]

I rather like why they stood for and what they did for the British scene. But taken on it’s own merits their music is very over overrated.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Glad to hear that. My mum was quite dismissive of him.



Living and loving music and thinking about it are in no way mutually exclusive. The reaction to music is a spiritual not an intellectual thing, but thinking about that reaction has never ruined a record for me. I have studied literature, among other things and you'll notice that my contributions to music threads, and quite a lot of other threads, generally contain similar levels of over-analysed undergraduate drivel. I only seem to get called out for it when I say that I don't think the Beatles were as great as the consensus does.

Where did I say your posts were of a similar level to over-analysed undergraduate drivel? I didn't.

You're right in that reaction to music is a spiritual thing and not intellectual.

 

[Stato]

Where did I say your posts were of a similar level to over-analysed undergraduate drivel? I didn't.

You didn't. I said it.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I was a teenager and was at the Hippodrome in 1963. Teenage girls did love Roy Orbison too.

You remind me of a literature student. How to ruin a good book? Study it for O or A level and analyse it to death.
We didn’t analyse any music, we just lived it and loved it.

Glad to hear that. My mum was quite dismissive of him.



Living and loving music and thinking about it are in no way mutually exclusive. The reaction to music is a spiritual not an intellectual thing, but thinking about that reaction has never ruined a record for me. I have studied literature, among other things and you'll notice that my contributions to music threads, and quite a lot of other threads, generally contain similar levels of over-analysed undergraduate drivel. I only seem to get called out for it when I say that I don't think the Beatles were as great as the consensus does.

I studied literature as well within Modern Languages at sixth form and degree level. I also did a short music appreciation thing in sixth form - not part of any formal qualification - and really appreciated being encouraged to think about WHY one did or didn't like a particular piece of music..... or literature. And in agreeing about the "spiritual" bit as well, I personally might use the word "soul", not in the sense of Soul Music, whether it's Motown, Atlantic, Stax or whatever, but in the sense of "they mean it", or "they are living this music." I'm not expressing that very well.

In terms of the Beatles, I always preferred the Stones in the very early years (early to mid sixties and the early singles and albums). I also liked the Yardbirds and later my real heroes were Cream.

I was no great fan of early Beatles -" She Loves You" was distinctly meh for me, but I thought "We can work it out" was a great song. But when my brother gave me Sergeant Pepper as a birthday present when it came out - I was 13 or 14 - I thought it was a bit special, as was Abbey Road and the earlier Rubber Soul.

 

[Stato]

And in agreeing about the "spiritual" bit as well, I personally might use the word "soul", not in the sense of Soul Music, whether it's Motown, Atlantic, Stax or whatever, but in the sense of "they mean it", or "they are living this music." I'm not expressing that very well.

I don't want to start a religious debate, but if you don't believe, then the arts and sport are perhaps your only sources of the transcendent. I've never experienced it, but I appreciate that one of the things that the religious get from their belief is a personal understanding of the world that goes beyond the intellectual and physical. By its nature, it can't really be rationalised, but it's hold is so powerful that humans have spent thousands of years trying to understand or define it.

That's music for me. It produces powerful reactions that communicate on another plane and are too nebulous to stand up to analysis. However, the urge to try to understand something so highly cherished is hard to resist, even though we know deep down that its probably insoluble. The religious have been at it for millennia.

Apologies for going a bit into the mystic. I've got Astral Weeks on at the moment, and Van doesn't help.

 

[Icy Gull]

I was thinking more about the people who wax lyrically about the poetic genius of the tone deaf Dylan and the musicality of that sawn off ponce, Mozart, while sneering at the majesty of The Ramones.

It happens. Trust me, it happens.

You Philistine! You can take your electronic music and stick it where the sun don’t shine!, Tone deaf Dylan delivers lyrics better than anybody other than Sinatra! I am so angry with you that I am going for a long lie down.

In fairness I often have absolutely no idea what the Bobster is singing about but the lyrics just sound right

He also has made the best single record of all time! These lyrics are also poetic in the extreme and totally understandable

The Ramones, they are OK but a bit Meh to these ears
https://youtu.be/IwOfCgkyEj0

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

I studied literature as well within Modern Languages at sixth form and degree level. I also did a short music appreciation thing in sixth form - not part of any formal qualification - and really appreciated being encouraged to think about WHY one did or didn't like a particular piece of music..... or literature. And in agreeing about the "spiritual" bit as well, I personally might use the word "soul", not in the sense of Soul Music, whether it's Motown, Atlantic, Stax or whatever, but in the sense of "they mean it", or "they are living this music." I'm not expressing that very well.

In terms of the Beatles, I always preferred the Stones in the very early years (early to mid sixties and the early singles and albums). I also liked the Yardbirds and later my real heroes were Cream.

I was no great fan of early Beatles -" She Loves You" was distinctly meh for me, but I thought "We can work it out" was a great song. But when my brother gave me Sergeant Pepper as a birthday present when it came out - I was 13 or 14 - I thought it was a bit special, as was Abbey Road and the earlier Rubber Soul.

And there we have it, a perfect example of how musical taste is completely subjective. I don't understand how anyone can value soul in any sense and then say they like/liked Sgt Pepper, which seems to me an empty, soulless novelty album. I mean, When I'm 64? Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite? Okay, you were 13 or 14. I also loved Cream and both early and mid-period (Mick Taylor) Stones but I know there's no sense expecting our tastes to coincide elsewhere.

 

[marlowe]

A previously unreleased non-Beatles track recorded in 1968 featuring George Harrison and Ringo was recently discovered in a loft in Birmingham during lockdown.

You can listen to it here...
The story behind the track starts at 2:16:00.
The track starts at 2:27:55

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09z32fn

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[Psychobilly freakout]

A previously unreleased non-Beatles track recorded in 1968 featuring George Harrison and Ringo was recently discovered in a loft in Birmingham during lockdown.

You can listen to it here...
The story behind the track starts at 2:16:00.
The track starts at 2:27:55

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p09z32fn

.

Utter, Utter self indulgent shite….

https://youtu.be/fIzK1VYW1PU

 

[BadFish]

Given that music appreciation and taste are completely subjective I am always a little confused when people feel the need to passionately share their dislike of stuff
I am in a few music appreciation groups online and am staggered by the consistency of people wanting to share their dislike of bands.

It is of course similar on here and for some reason it seems to centre around similar bands. The Beatles, Oasis and Radiohead (pre or post Kid A).

When something is so subjective, what is the point?

Don't like it, don't listen to it. But why get so cross when other people like stuff?

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