View Full Version : DICK KNIGHT OUT ? Just one little question for you retards....
Lets just say you get your wish, and Dick calls a press conference on Monday morning and says "bollocks to all this then, I'm off".
What then ?
Could someone please point me towards the queue of multi-millionaires winding their way from Brighton Station down to the club shop, all just ITCHING to lavish all their lovely cash on the Albion ? Sorry, I must have missed the multitude of offers from filthy-rich businessmen trying to take the club over and give us all their money. Where is OUR Abramovich ? Did Knight push him aside in 1997 ? Cos I didn't see anyone else wanting to take control of a homeless club at the bottom of the League, did you ?
Because of course in this financial climate, EVERYONE wants to invest in a 2nd division football club playing in a borrowed athletics stadium, don't they ? We're positively beating them off with our shitty sticks arn't we ? Fuck me, this club should be ROLLING IN MONEY with the potential chairmen lining up to take us over. But nasty old Dick won't let them will he. Damn him to hell and back, eh ?
A little reality check here, because clearly some of you just don't GET IT.
1. Dick Knight is operating this club within its means. If you want to see what happens when you DON'T do this, just take a little look at Leeds Utd, Oldham or Notts County (for starters).
2. Dick Knight is an Albion fan. Thats right, we have a FAN in charge of the club, who is determined to look after its best interests. Can anyone here tell me what happened the last time we just had a BUSINESSMAN in charge of this football club ? Anyone ? Come on, don't be shy. What happened ? Tell me.
3. After bringing us back from some wilderness in Kent, Dick Knight has spearheaded the one and only credible application for a new stadium the club has ever had, and we are closer to that becoming a reality than ever before. If Dick had not stepped in, put his money where his mouth is, got us back down here to Sussex and put together that application, where exactly do you think this club would be now ? Think we could have done any better do ya ?
Come on then all you bright sparks wanting Knight out, come up with some ANSWERS. Who should come in and take over ? What should Knight have done differently ? Without the wonderful benefit of hindsight, what would YOU have done differently to Knight which would have seen us in some cloud cuckoo-land fantasy world where the Albion are already once again rubbing shoulders with Man U and the like.
Its a piece of piss to snipe and bitch from behind the comfort of your PC. Well, this is your thread now to come up with some real answers about the running of this club. If you can't come up with some credible, constructive answers then I suggets you fuck right off and get off Dicks back.
If it wasn't for that bloke, you wouldn't even HAVE a professional football club in Brighton. You might want to remember that the next time you feel like calling for his head.
Originally posted by Easy 10
If it wasn't for that bloke, you wouldn't even HAVE a professional football club in Brighton. You might want to remember that the next time you feel like calling for his head.
I don't like that argument.
It is like saying Robbie Reinelt should have a guaranteed spot in the starting line up.
Chesney Christ
15-11-2003, 20:43
Originally posted by fatboy
I don't like that argument.
It is like saying Robbie Reinelt should have a guaranteed spot in the starting line up.
No it's not.
Kent Seagull
15-11-2003, 20:46
Easy 10 , top post, well said. :clap: :clap: :clap:
Originally posted by fatboy
I don't like that argument.
It is like saying Robbie Reinelt should have a guaranteed spot in the starting line up.
Its not the basis of an entire argument, agreed. But it DOES show that Knight has this clubs best interests at heart. He does not deserve the flack he is getting on here, or people questioning his ambition or motives, when he has come up trumps for us time and time again.
He's got a damn sight more things right than he got wrong in the last 6 years, and he is worthy of our trust. He's bloody well done enough to earn it.
Yes. I wasn't disagreeing with the post.
Knight will go sooner or later and many hope it is sooner, just as the team as got stale and some need to go so it's the same in the boardroom.
Knight in over 6 years has failed to even get past the planning application for a new stadium and has yet to convince many he has the finance to build a new ground.
The most important thing right now is to give McGhee enough money to strengthen the squad and get out of this downward spiral. If Knight hasn't got the cash then it's about time he got out and about in Sussex and found some people.
Remember it's BRIGHTon and Hove Albion not KNIGHTon and Hove Albion.
Lucky_Boy_Farang
15-11-2003, 20:51
Originally posted by Easy 10
Lets just say you get your wish, and Dick calls a press conference on Monday morning and says "bollocks to all this then, I'm off".
What then ?
Could someone please point me towards the queue of multi-millionaires winding their way from Brighton Station down to the club shop, all just ITCHING to lavish all their lovely cash on the Albion ? Sorry, I must have missed the multitude of offers from filthy-rich businessmen trying to take the club over and give us all their money. Where is OUR Abramovich ? Did Knight push him aside in 1997 ? Cos I didn't see anyone else wanting to take control of a homeless club at the bottom of the League, did you ?
Because of course in this financial climate, EVERYONE wants to invest in a 2nd division football club playing in a borrowed athletics stadium, don't they ? We're positively beating them off with our shitty sticks arn't we ? Fuck me, this club should be ROLLING IN MONEY with the potential chairmen lining up to take us over. But nasty old Dick won't let them will he. Damn him to hell and back, eh ?
A little reality check here, because clearly some of you just don't GET IT.
1. Dick Knight is operating this club within its means. If you want to see what happens when you DON'T do this, just take a little look at Leeds Utd, Oldham or Notts County (for starters).
2. Dick Knight is an Albion fan. Thats right, we have a FAN in charge of the club, who is determined to look after its best interests. Can anyone here tell me what happened the last time we just had a BUSINESSMAN in charge of this football club ? Anyone ? Come on, don't be shy. What happened ? Tell me.
3. After bringing us back from some wilderness in Kent, Dick Knight has spearheaded the one and only credible application for a new stadium the club has ever had, and we are closer to that becoming a reality than ever before. If Dick had not stepped in, put his money where his mouth is, got us back down here to Sussex and put together that application, where exactly do you think this club would be now ? Think we could have done any better do ya ?
Come on then all you bright sparks wanting Knight out, come up with some ANSWERS. Who should come in and take over ? What should Knight have done differently ? Without the wonderful benefit of hindsight, what would YOU have done differently to Knight which would have seen us in some cloud cuckoo-land fantasy world where the Albion are already once again rubbing shoulders with Man U and the like.
Its a piece of piss to snipe and bitch from behind the comfort of your PC. Well, this is your thread now to come up with some real answers about the running of this club. If you can't come up with some credible, constructive answers then I suggets you fuck right off and get off Dicks back.
If it wasn't for that bloke, you wouldn't even HAVE a professional football club in Brighton. You might want to remember that the next time you feel like calling for his head.
Dick has money but refueses to part with his cash. We dont need multi millionaires to pump money in but need someone to plough money that we've made from players..ie Zamora and Coppell going to Reading back into the playing side.
You are another dork!!
Originally posted by Lucky_Boy_Farang
Dick has money but refueses to part with his cash. We dont need multi millionaires to pump money in but need someone to plough money that we've made from players..ie Zamora and Coppell going to Reading back into the playing side.
You are another dork!!
Where did the compo for Coppell go ? Can't have gone on the planning enquiry as that should have been done by the Summer.
With Knight there are more questions than answers right now and as usual when things go wrong he does his little dissappearing act.
Lucky_Boy_Farang
15-11-2003, 20:57
Originally posted by Ernest
Where did the compo for Coppell go ? Can't have gone on the planning enquiry as that should have been done by the Summer.
With Knight there are more questions than answers right now and as usual when things go wrong he does his little dissappearing act.
Because if he told the truth then there would be outrage.
Originally posted by Lucky_Boy_Farang
Dick has money but refueses to part with his cash. We dont need multi millionaires to pump money in but need someone to plough money that we've made from players..ie Zamora and Coppell going to Reading back into the playing side.
You are another dork!!
Is this the best we're going to come up with ?
For every poster who says "Dicks got loads of money, he's just tight", we have just as many saying "Dick Knights potless, get rid of him"
Truth is, none of you dickwads really knows how much Dick Knight is worth. So don't even bother second-guessing that he "should" be spending more of his money on the team, cos you havn't got a CLUE. And if the money from Zamora and Coppell has to be ploughed into Falmer, then so be it. I'd rather the application stay on course then see the money spent on a few players to tide us over this season. Surely the bigger picture doesn't need explaining here ? Yes, the Enquiry is now done, but we've still got to pay for the FRIGGING STADIUM.
I'm still waiting to see some constructive answers.
seagullsslimjim
15-11-2003, 21:09
I think the real sticking point is what has Dick done with the majority of Zamoras money and all of Coppells £230k compensation. As well as these two incoming amounts we now don't have Bobbys wages to pay (replaced by Leons) and Brookers.
All of Bobbys £1m should have covered several seasons of playing budget with Coppells compensation being an instant addition to it as it was an unforseen gain, and not part of the pre season budget.
These are the real questions that need to be answered by the board as it's the only visible income that the fans have really seen coming in recently and yet to no benefit of strengthening the squad.
Don't even start me on the £48m required for the new stadium. With a mortgage/loan at 5% interest PA the interest alone will be circa £2.4m a year, even before capital repayment. With 22 home games thats approx £110,000.00 a game. Divide that by average gates of 11,000 and thats £10 out of each ticket!!!:glare:
Lucky_Boy_Farang
15-11-2003, 21:11
Don't care how much Dick tight is worth, But am saying he should put some of that money he's made from Zamora and Coppell back into the playing side.
You want Falmer so do we all, But whats the point in having a 24,000 seater staduim when we WILL be playing 3rd division football ? No one will want to watch us, And if we did get Falmer then Dick Tight would say we have no money for the playing side as we have to pay for this staduim.
In a no win situation.
Originally posted by Easy 10
I'm still waiting to see some constructive answers.
A long wait for you methinks considering the 'people' you are expecting constructive answers from...
Fran Hagarty
15-11-2003, 21:15
Originally posted by Easy 10
I'm still waiting to see some constructive answers.
You won't get many of those on here, I'm afraid. Too many John McEnroes throwing down their racquet and cursing when things go wrong! Good to see someone remaining positive - even after today's debacle!
Cadiz Seagull
15-11-2003, 21:20
Easy 10 - spot on. I'm with you 100%. Easy to say DK should do this, should do that but the two main facts are (a) the club is stable finacially (very unusal for a football club these days) and (b) the guy was a fan before he became chairman and will still be a fan after he stops being chairman.
Some people - the minority - on here seem to think that either he should do more, or they could do better. Unless and until they have done as much for the club as DK has or come up with as much dosh they should shut up. Or at least come up with constructive suggestions, none of which I've seen yet.
The club is living within its means, despite having a huge percentage of income going straight out the door. How many other clubs can you name can say that? When Falmer comes then we can start to move upwards - until then I'm afraid that hanging on to where we are today is about the best we can hope for.
But I for one can live with that. When you remember where we were (and we lived beyond our means long before Archer came on the scene) and you realise what the alternative is to today's situation, then it's a no-brainer.
3 point plan -
(1) Hang on in there - keep the faith
(2) Falmer
(3) Then the sky's the limit
I just hope DK doesn't get pissed off before then, because if he goes, then we are REALLY in the soft and nasty.
Dick Knight knows what he is doing. He won't do an Archer, simply because if he does, he will get SHOT!:wave:
Lucky_Boy_Farang
15-11-2003, 21:27
Originally posted by Bwian
A long wait for you methinks considering the 'people' you are expecting constructive answers from...
:tosser:
Originally posted by Lucky_Boy_Farang
:tosser:
That just about says it all, Farang. Well done for your stunning response there.
You've pretty much proved my point with that - nobody here can come up with anything constructive about what the club could do if the moaners on here finally got their wish and Dick Knight left the Albion. All you can do is whine and bitch and demand heads should roll. Yeah well, thats the EASY part.
Not one person here can come up with a decent argument as to why Dick Knight should leave the club, and (more importantly) who should replace him. If you havn't got the answers, then stop bitching or feck off.
Of course there is a decent argument, has Dick Knight and his cronies who think the club is their personal plaything got the resources to take the club forward ?
Of course not and that is why so many people are concerned right now.
Originally posted by Ernest
Of course there is a decent argument, has Dick Knight and his cronies who think the club is their personal plaything got the resources to take the club forward ?
Of course not and that is why so many people are concerned right now.
Is that it Ernest ?? You've massaged those two brain cells and thats what you can come up with ? The sum of your argument is basically:
"Errrr, we need someone with loads of money to come in, take the club over and buy some players and stuff."
(clap.....clap......clap....)
Well thats BRILLIANT Ernest. Bloody well done. So what we want is a rich sugar-daddy to come in and take over. Yes, I'm sure thats the answer. Theres a small flaw there though...
EVERY FUCKING FOOTBALL CLUB OUTSIDE OF CHELSEA WANTS THAT, YOU BELLEND. WHO WOULDN'T ?
Honestly, I'm not sure I can continue with this. Its like trying to reason with a 3 year old with behaviour issues.
:shootself
Kneon Light
15-11-2003, 22:17
Easy 10 - Fantastic post. Well done.
"Knight in over 6 years has failed to even get past the planning application for a new stadium and has yet to convince many he has the finance to build a new ground.
The most important thing right now is to give McGhee enough money to strengthen the squad"
Knight has SUCCESSFULLY got planning permission for a new stadium. The government then called it in. These things take time - yes we all wish it could happen quicker but remember the only councillor to vote against the stadium did so bacause he called the application "rushed"
The most important thing right now is for John Prescott to say yes in january.
"Don't care how much Dick tight is worth, But am saying he should put some of that money he's made from Zamora and Coppell back into the playing side."
Zamora money was used for public enquiry and rightly so - what would happen if we got planning permission, it got called in and then Knight said "oh sorry can't afford a public enquiry!"
Why do people think the Coppell money will not be used for players? There were 2 new players today and McGhee has openly said he is looking for more.
Cheers Kneon Light.
Its reassuring to know that not everyone on here is a fucking mentalist. Scuse my french tonight, but I'm really getting quite wound up by this.
Well composed thread.
:clap:
It's no surprise of course, that a couple of crap games and a crack in the armour seems to invite the slings and arrows from all the 'downers' coming out for a whinge. Do you people lay in wait for the first chance to give DK a lashing?
Are you anti-Falmer-ites, thinking that by posting under the guise of Albion fans you will get more joy out of chipping at the foundations?
This club has seen harder times than this, and these few games. A change was overdue anyway, and Coppell should have addressed a couple of things ....except he left the squad we now see losing every week, and with little more than the remnants of Adams' side from three seasons back. This with more free-agent football players than ever, and the league full of imports!
What about a chairman spending loads on the team, but nothing on finding a place to play? No managers staying around, no players wanting to use BHA for anything more than a stepping stone, and no hope for that to change in future.
MM needs a little time, and the players need to use that time to make something for their careers now or be on their way to some pub side after their week on a building site or under office lights.
Zed Seagull
15-11-2003, 23:30
Great post Easy 10!!:clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:
twickers
15-11-2003, 23:56
I've been reading this thread very closely and think I have the answer as to who would be best placed to replace Dick Knight...unfortunately Father Christmas says whilst he is a man of means, he feels he wouldn't last a month juggling the politics, the costs, logistics and business of running a football club, often without thanks.
Lord Bracknell
16-11-2003, 00:13
Originally posted by Ernest
Where did the compo for Coppell go ? Can't have gone on the planning enquiry as that should have been done by the Summer.
Didn't you notice, you pillock, that - thanks to the University of Brighton - there was a need for an entirely separate planning application for new access arrangements? And that it had to be submitted in the summer? And that it was subject to a further eight days of Public Inquiry in October? And that highway design work had to be paid for all over again? And that fresh consultants' reports had to be commissioned? And that expensive legal support had to be secured to cover the weeks of additional work that had to be put in? And that the costs of the building project have gone up as a result? And that the stadium planning application would have failed if these extra costs hadn't been incurred?
Of course money is being spent on the planning application. We'd all rather see Coppell's compensation payment put into the playing budget. But at the expense of achieving Falmer? I think not.
:angry:
Soton Seagull
16-11-2003, 02:49
Lucky Boy said - 'I will watch the Albion whatever division they are in. If you want to be a glory seeking pot seeker go support Man U. There is more to being a fan than trophies, but under DK we have won two championships, more than under any other chairman. [/B][/QUOTE]'...........
Mr Farang - I totally agree, but surely the quote undermines your other posts in this thread slating Knight!
Easy 10 - Top posts mate, but don't rise to them. Saw you at the match today, almost said hello!
Guinness Boy
16-11-2003, 03:27
Erm, has anyone noticed that the current league rules include a much shortened transfer window and we couldn't spend the compensation from Coppell today even if we wanted to?
Easy 10 - agree 100% with your posts but I've long since learned not to rise to the bait.
alan partridge
16-11-2003, 03:45
the problem with discussing with these loons is they don't base any of their arguments on facts. probably best to ignore em but its hard:nono:
Top post Easy. There are far too many people who follow the club who have rather short memories.
Shankly Seagull
16-11-2003, 08:37
It's Knight for me every time. look at the positive stuff the posters have contributed.
Easy's spot on. There are no sugar daddies waiting in the wings, the Abramoviches are rare, but they didn't gain that wealth by accident. Football clubs rarely make money, and the only ones likely to are Premiership ones in major cities.
Next time your at Withdean take a look around you. It ain't gonna happen.
Let's accept that the Stadiumprocess will continue to drain ebery last penny we own (and a few we don't).
Even when we have built Falmer my guess is that in the early years team investment will not be startling, because we will be trying to reduce our gearing.
A few years of austerity are required to seal a future period of sucess.
The Great Cornholio
16-11-2003, 09:06
Why oh why did I look on here today? I promised myself I wouldn't but did. :nono:
Another thread that will go dead now that someone has pointed out that the anti Knight brigade are talking out of their backsides. And what the hell 4 senior players completely losing the plot has got to do with the chairman I really don't know.
Tom Hark, Preston Park
16-11-2003, 09:52
Originally posted by The Great Cornholio
And what the hell 4 senior players completely losing the plot has got to do with the chairman I really don't know.
Well it seems to have a bit to do with it in that the minute some of these guys have been put on long term contracts they seem to have become completely demotivated
But Dick Knight's quite rightly trying to keep the club afloat til Falmer gets the green light. He can't have foreseen that the players he's rewarded with a bit of job security would suddenly stop playing. Nothing a short sharp shock being farmed out to non-league teams couldn't cure maybe.
Originally posted by Tom Hark, Preston Park
Well it seems to have a bit to do with it in that the minute some of these guys have been put on long term contracts they seem to have become completely demotivated
But Dick Knight's quite rightly trying to keep the club afloat til Falmer gets the green light. He can't have foreseen that the players he's rewarded with a bit of job security would suddenly stop playing. Nothing a short sharp shock being farmed out to non-league teams couldn't cure maybe.
Or the fact that Dick Tight has starved the squad of investment and so there is no cover for injuries or loss of form.
Originally posted by Soton Seagull
Easy 10 - Top posts mate, but don't rise to them. Saw you at the match today, almost said hello!
Should have done - I don't bite !
Ernest - once again neatly sidestepping all the issues you don't understand or have an answer to, ignoring any posts challenging your position, and just trotting out the same old crap time after time after time.
I think you should leave it there - you're just making yourself look a bit of an idiot. Go and vote on a poll or something, but leave the proper debate to the adults on here, eh ?
Originally posted by Lucky_Boy_Farang
:tosser:
Another breath taking response-good comeback!
maybe the squad as been starved of investment,no without a doubt the squad is under strength at the moment.
but what would you rather have yourself starved of regular football in your home town,its the old chessnut again until falmer is built there is no way we can put out a team we would all want to.
so it's time for a bit of realisum we had to get out of gillingham so thats where we are now withdean and all the financial restraints that go with it.
the planning application/enquiry/lawyers who's next job will be to see through the finance and application proper that's where the money as gone and is still going.
and to right so stop thinking there's a millionaire out there who wants to waste his money.
it just ain't going to happen.
At last, THANK GOD FOR EASY 10. It's about time someone said that. There are far to many moaners on here. Personally I love DK, and I think he's the right man for the job. If a rich sugar daddy comes along, then perhaps dick should stand aside..but until that day comes im extremly happy to have such a decent honourabe man as our chairman. Im pround, you only need to look at some other (lesser) clubs and see who they have in charge! I think every one of us Albion fans should be gratful. Let DK take us to falmer. Then let us start questioning his future.
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 11:50
I haven't got anything against knight,but i have stuck to my guns even through the championship times that he is not amitious enough to take us to the big time.
Now as we have all agreed that knight hasn't a pot to piss in how does he do all this without any money.
Tell you what he needs a medal if he can be our god get us 2 championships so you say and get all these managers although lose them all without spending a bean.
This is where you are all wrong as i have stated the only people to get us this is the fans of bha not anyone else although yeah knight hires the managers,but thats pot luck if they succeed its that straight forward.
Now as knight is so poor he will want his 1.5 million back as soon as possible although there is a chance he has already got part of it back.
Lets face it will always look good on knight looking at recent acheivments,but this could have easily swung the other way very easily and i put that success down to adams getting free players and using his contacts.
Thankfully for knight adams done the buisness and has made knight look like god its that straight forward and fortunate for knight.
Im sure knight is a decent bloke and means well and is a big fan,but until we get proper playing funds we will always be average.
Im not asking for super rich people just 400k+ to get a few decent players in and good assets for the future.
Lets face it fans pay money and want to see decentish football,but you may say you don't care how we play as long as we get falmer as thats our priority,well you won't say that when the fans dribble away as these fans pay good money its as simple as that and you must keep the fans happy.
I don't wanna support anyone else bar the albion end of it and thats the way it is,so let people have there say and stop whinging as im not a big fan of knight and will admit it for as long as it takes.:nono:
If you wanna worship knight thats your choice,but trust me knight doesn't do all these god things without spending a bean.:lol: :lol:
Row Z Creased Shirt
16-11-2003, 12:02
I think what Easy 10 and the rest of us are waiting from the anti-knight brigade are some answers about how they would take the club forward.
Next time Ernest or his like contribute to this thread, I want to see names, numbers and a plan otherwise I'm just not interested in what they have to say.
There has been not ONE! serious alternative put forward to Dk by any of his detractors. Put up or shut up.
Great post Easy.
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 12:07
Go and smoke your pipe twat!!!!
Im telling you that if knight left we would attract new investers as does every club and for christ sake knight hasn't any money so it wouldn't take much to replace him would it.
Christ get a grip you twat:salute:
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 12:08
Go and smoke your pipe twat!!!!
Im telling you that if knight left we would attract new investers as does every club and for christ sake knight hasn't any money so it wouldn't take much to replace him would it.
Christ get a grip you twat:salute:
As Harty said on the phone in yesterday it's not just some members of the team that have been here too long, nuff said.
The Great Cornholio
16-11-2003, 12:15
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
Go and smoke your pipe twat!!!!
Im telling you that if knight left we would attract new investers as does every club and for christ sake knight hasn't any money so it wouldn't take much to replace him would it.
Christ get a grip you twat:salute:
Yet another cogniscent,well balanced, thoughtful insight. It's nice to see you structure your arguments with well placed abuse and very witty smilies. And so nice of you to point out where all these investors are now, where they have been for the last 5 years and given a full explanation of why they would want to invest in a club with a very uncertain future. Thank you also for allaying my fears that any such investor investing just before a major stadium will be built would only be interested in profit.
My only slight criticism of your post is that you missed called our Chairman Dick Tight which always wins every argument on this board.
The Great Cornholio
16-11-2003, 12:16
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
Go and smoke your pipe twat!!!!
Im telling you that if knight left we would attract new investers as does every club
Try telling Notts County that.
Row Z Creased Shirt
16-11-2003, 12:17
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
Go and smoke your pipe twat!!!!
Im telling you that if knight left we would attract new investers as does every club and for christ sake knight hasn't any money so it wouldn't take much to replace him would it.
Christ get a grip you twat:salute:
Sorry I just missed the details of that last post, and these investors are where exactly?
If there are people out there who genuinely feel they could do a job for the Albion why are they all in hiding? let them come forward and provide an alternative future for the club.
Another quality well argued post from DK out brigade:yawn:
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 12:22
How can you say that where is the anwser for investers when we have knight in that position.
Investers are out there trust me although i would like knight to be part of the albion he hasn't the funds to take us that bit further its clear to see.
Come on realise the club needs funds from somewhere and maybe its time knight made a bit more effort in finding smaller investers if possible as christ we are talking 400k+ and thats not a lot in football these days is it.:nono:
The Great Cornholio
16-11-2003, 12:25
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
How can you say that where is the anwser for investers when we have knight in that position.
Investers are out there trust me although i would like knight to be part of the albion he hasn't the funds to take us that bit further its clear to see.
Come on realise the club needs funds from somewhere and maybe its time knight made a bit more effort in finding smaller investers if possible as christ we are talking 400k+ and thats not a lot in football these days is it.:nono:
Do you know anything about football finance? How many good players do you think you would get for £400,000? An average Div 2 player on £2500 per week on a 2 year contract = £250000. Without taking into account signing on fees, bonuses, National Insurance etc. He breaks his leg 10 minutes into his first game. Bye Bye £400000.
El Presidente
16-11-2003, 12:33
Investers are out there trust me
Give us a good reason why we should trust you? You cannot even spell investor let alone know what one is.
People invest to get a return on their investment. For that you need profit, and if you look at the Albion's accounts over the last ten years they have never made a profit in that period.
You constantly bleat about DK spending money on players, well he has. Leon Knight and Ben Roberts bost are on good contracts. No other sides in Div 2 are spending money on players, because they are in the same financial situation as ourselves.
Come up with something constuctive for once is your self abusing life
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 12:34
Originally posted by The Great Cornholio
Do you know anything about football finance? How many good players do you think you would get for £400,000? An average Div 2 player on £2500 per week on a 2 year contract = £250000. Without taking into account signing on fees, bonuses, National Insurance etc. He breaks his leg 10 minutes into his first game. Bye Bye £400000. Thats where we continue to slowly get shot of the dead wood and yes it may be a slow process,but face it we have lost shite loads of money on shite players in recent years i.e kitson and barrett on loan and others.
You telling me that its a bad thing to buy a couple of decent players now dear o dear.:nono:
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 12:37
Originally posted by El Presidente
Investers are out there trust me
Give us a good reason why we should trust you? You cannot even spell investor let alone know what one is.
People invest to get a return on their investment. For that you need profit, and if you look at the Albion's accounts over the last ten years they have never made a profit in that period.
You constantly bleat about DK spending money on players, well he has. Leon Knight and Ben Roberts bost are on good contracts. No other sides in Div 2 are spending money on players, because they are in the same financial situation as ourselves.
Come up with something constuctive for once is your self abusing life If the best you can do is discuss my spelling then you are a sad man.:censored:
Yeah we sold zamora and got a million and replaced him well with knight for 100k,but thats where it always stops dead.:p
El Presidente
16-11-2003, 12:41
You still have not said who the investors are, how much money they have, and how they intend to buy out the existing board.
We are waiting..........
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 12:47
Very funny!
Well your awnser will only arrive when mr knight attempts such a thing of finding them or stepping aside.
Don't compare us to notts as we are stabled remember mmmm???
Guinness Boy
16-11-2003, 12:53
Bugger it - I am getting drawn in.
Reality check. Knight has made several well documented mistakes. Jeff Wood was a mistake, repeated with Hinshlewood. We sold Zamora at the bottom of the market instead of the top and we seriously underestimated the lengths Falmer opponents would go to.
That said he has brought in several quality managers (Horton, Adams, Taylor and Coppell, the jury's out on McGhee, give him at least half a season).
But Berkshire, you say "if Knight left we'd attract investors as does every club". As does every club? What? Like York, Bury, Notts County, Oldham. Yeah millionaires are around them like flies round shit aren't they?
He should go and find several small investors should he? What like Fatboy Slim who puts money in to the club for a carparking place and a North Stand seat. So he has done that hasn't he?
The Knight out brigade are constantly challenged to name even possible investors and they can't do it. When are you going to accept that we are not Chelsea?
Originally posted by Guinness Boy
Bugger it - I am getting drawn in.
Reality check. Knight has made several well documented mistakes. Jeff Wood was a mistake, repeated with Hinshlewood. We sold Zamora at the bottom of the market instead of the top and we seriously underestimated the lengths Falmer opponents would go to.
That said he has brought in several quality managers (Horton, Adams, Taylor and Coppell, the jury's out on McGhee, give him at least half a season).
But Berkshire, you say "if Knight left we'd attract investors as does every club". As does every club? What? Like York, Bury, Notts County, Oldham. Yeah millionaires are around them like flies round shit aren't they?
He should go and find several small investors should he? What like Fatboy Slim who puts money in to the club for a carparking place and a North Stand seat. So he has done that hasn't he?
The Knight out brigade are constantly challenged to name even possible investors and they can't do it. When are you going to accept that we are not Chelsea?
And you know just what is going on when you're in Tokyo ?
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 12:59
Originally posted by Guinness Boy
Bugger it - I am getting drawn in.
Reality check. Knight has made several well documented mistakes. Jeff Wood was a mistake, repeated with Hinshlewood. We sold Zamora at the bottom of the market instead of the top and we seriously underestimated the lengths Falmer opponents would go to.
That said he has brought in several quality managers (Horton, Adams, Taylor and Coppell, the jury's out on McGhee, give him at least half a season).
But Berkshire, you say "if Knight left we'd attract investors as does every club". As does every club? What? Like York, Bury, Notts County, Oldham. Yeah millionaires are around them like flies round shit aren't they?
He should go and find several small investors should he? What like Fatboy Slim who puts money in to the club for a carparking place and a North Stand seat. So he has done that hasn't he?
The Knight out brigade are constantly challenged to name even possible investors and they can't do it. When are you going to accept that we are not Chelsea?
Im not a knight out brigade!
Yeah but your missing the point as we are stabled and look set to have a spanking new staium with huge potential and we need to find someway of building a reasonable squad before we move in and getting some more investors in as soon as possible is part of our building process for the future and any investor will no that the club has a bright future around the corner and should jump in now or soon to be part of it.:clap2:
How will Knight get anyone to finance the stadium when we won't be able to fill Withdean ?
No investor or finance company will put a penny piece into the club all the time Knight is there acting like it is his personal toy.
Knight out and then problem solved, it's that simple.
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 13:09
Its simple the squad strenghing is very very very very very very very important no matter what anyone says.:)
alan partridge
16-11-2003, 13:10
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
Im not a knight out brigade!
Yeah but your missing the point as we are stabled and look set to have a spanking new staium with huge potential and we need to find someway of building a reasonable squad before we move in and getting some more investors in as soon as possible is part of our building process for the future and any investor will no that the club has a bright future around the corner and should jump in now or soon to be part of it.:clap2:
i don't believe i'm reading this. right, so we're stable and look set to have a spanking new stadium.
you can always argue that dick knight didn't save the albion on his own, but why the feck are we stable and set to move into a new stadium
COS OF THE AWESOME JOB DICK KNIGHT HAS DONE!:dunce:
Originally posted by alan partridge
i don't believe i'm reading this. right, so we're stable and look set to have a spanking new stadium.
you can always argue that dick knight didn't save the albion on his own, but why the feck are we stable and set to move into a new stadium
COS OF THE AWESOME JOB DICK KNIGHT HAS DONE!:dunce:
Because we're not stable and we don't have a new stadium thanks to the awsomely shite job Knight and Perry are making of running the club.
Originally posted by alan partridge
i don't believe i'm reading this. right, so we're stable and look set to have a spanking new stadium.
you can always argue that dick knight didn't save the albion on his own, but why the feck are we stable and set to move into a new stadium
COS OF THE AWESOME JOB DICK KNIGHT HAS DONE!:dunce:
Because we're not stable and we don't have a new stadium thanks to the awsomely shite job Knight and Perry are making of running the club.
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 13:16
Originally posted by alan partridge
i don't believe i'm reading this. right, so we're stable and look set to have a spanking new stadium.
you can always argue that dick knight didn't save the albion on his own, but why the feck are we stable and set to move into a new stadium
COS OF THE AWESOME JOB DICK KNIGHT HAS DONE!:dunce: No because we pay huge prices to watch and the club wasn't rearly in huge debt to start with was it as the sell of the goldstone got shot of huge debts.:p
Money which has come in!
fatboy 2 1/2 million
dick 1 1/2 million
zamora 1 million
Yes 5 million which helps the cause and if anyone is god its sir fatboy.
:drink: :drink:
If the club was stable and well run then we'd be able to get some new players in to strengthen the squad.
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 13:24
You can't deny the fact that dick stated that huge prices to get in was to help fund for players which hardly arrive bar the odd month loan players that keep cropping up.:(
Cadiz Seagull
16-11-2003, 13:26
Alan you beat me to it!
The MOST important thing in the club at the moment is our stability. We live (broadly) within our means and we don't go out and spend money we haven't got and haven't got a prayer of getting.
And who brought this stability to the club?
Never ever forget the other main thing DK did. He restructured the club so that no one individual could ever have total control - people seem to forget what happened when we didn't have that safeguard. Now if a mysterious millionaire does appear and wants to throw loads of money at us then he certainly isn't going to do this without having control. So unless we then change the set up of the club back to what it was in the old days that isn't going to happen.
If that's the price we pay for stability - which means we will still have a club to support in the future - then I for one think that's a price worth paying.
If there was no longer term alternative to the way we are at the moment then maybe the anti DK brigade would have some credibility, but there is.
Once we get Falmer, and we will, there will be light at the end of the tunnel. It won't be all milk and honey then, it will still take good (business) management - that's what we've got at the moment.
If we go down the route of spending large amounts of dosh we don't have we may well be able to buy a present, but we sure as hell won't have a future.
Knight has got total control you muppet and that is the problem
The Great Cornholio
16-11-2003, 13:30
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
Thats where we continue to slowly get shot of the dead wood and yes it may be a slow process,but face it we have lost shite loads of money on shite players in recent years i.e kitson and barrett on loan and others.
You telling me that its a bad thing to buy a couple of decent players now dear o dear.:nono:
Naive is not the word. These players are all so concerned about the club that they will resign and waive any right to compensation for the rest of their contracts.
If a player is sold on a free transfer without him asking for it, he is due compensation. Your £400000 doesn't stretch too far now does it?
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 13:32
Originally posted by Cadiz Seagull
Alan you beat me to it!
The MOST important thing in the club at the moment is our stability. We live (broadly) within our means and we don't go out and spend money we haven't got and haven't got a prayer of getting.
And who brought this stability to the club?
Never ever forget the other main thing DK did. He restructured the club so that no one individual could ever have total control - people seem to forget what happened when we didn't have that safeguard. Now if a mysterious millionaire does appear and wants to throw loads of money at us then he certainly isn't going to do this without having control. So unless we then change the set up of the club back to what it was in the old days that isn't going to happen.
If that's the price we pay for stability - which means we will still have a club to support in the future - then I for one think that's a price worth paying.
If there was no longer term alternative to the way we are at the moment then maybe the anti DK brigade would have some credibility, but there is.
Once we get Falmer, and we will, there will be light at the end of the tunnel. It won't be all milk and honey then, it will still take good (business) management - that's what we've got at the moment.
If we go down the route of spending large amounts of dosh we don't have we may well be able to buy a present, but we sure as hell won't have a future. O.k then awnser this?
What would have happened if fatboy wouldn't have put 2 1/2 million into the club please exsplain and think it through instead of making mr knight look good and above everyone else.:p
Charlies Shinpad
16-11-2003, 13:33
This is getting hot!!
IF DK had appointed SC at the beginning of last season instead of MH we wouldnt be where we are today,we would have had no need to sell BZ,although BZ would have gone at sometime,but no doubt a better price for a Div 1 striker than a Div 2 striker, and could of bought the likes of Ingarmarsson(£100,000)
So in a way DK is to blame as he keeps the purse strings so tight that he thought he could take the easy and cheapest option and appoint from within.
At the end of the day it his is fault we are in Div 2 by not appointing the right man in the first place,and as a footnote making no attempt to keep him when Reading came in,contrary to what DK said about prolonged discussions etc etc.
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
O.k then awnser this?
What would have happened if fatboy wouldn't have put 2 1/2 million into the club please exsplain and think it through instead of making mr knight look good and above everyone else.:p
Knight would have been up shit creek without a paddle
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 13:35
Originally posted by The Great Cornholio
Naive is not the word. These players are all so concerned about the club that they will resign and waive any right to compensation for the rest of their contracts.
If a player is sold on a free transfer without him asking for it, he is due compensation. Your £400000 doesn't stretch too far now does it? Yeah and who gave some of these mickey mouse players long contracts?:p
The Great Cornholio
16-11-2003, 13:40
Originally posted by Ernest
Knight has got total control you muppet and that is the problem
If you are serious in your opinions and not just a one joke wonder on a wind up - answer the questions you are being asked and stop resorting to insults and rhetoric.
Who are these investors?
Why do they want to invest one month before a decision on the stadium is announced?
Are they existing fans or chancers after asset stripping and profiteering?
Explain how you know Dick Knight is in total control and that the other directors are so incompetent as to let him be?
Which players would you get rid of and how much would it cost in compensation?
How much will be invested and what structure would you put in place to stop the club going the way of Sheff Wed, Notts County, Oldham, Leeds etc.?
Do you have ANY actual proof of any of the spurious claims you make or are you guessing?
Why do you think you know best even though your opinions seem to be in the large minority?
Do you know anything about the basic planning process, let alone the process for a huge project?
Did you see fit to visit the Public Enquiry and see the infintessimal details the application had to go into?
I could go on but I await you reply with interest. I'm expecting to hear Dick Tight, Twat, Muppet and :salute: to be involved. Or the thread to go dead like so many others when your rhetoric is laid bare.
Prove me wrong.
all if but and maybe we here now so it's what happens next what is the most important thing
the team is going to change but it will be a slow process mark mcghee does'nt seem like the sort of person who will let displays like yesterday go on for much longer.
players will be moved out and others brought in the first being kuipers but this will be unpopular
imho he will go and we see another striker signed pretty soon
The Great Cornholio
16-11-2003, 13:44
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
Yeah and who gave some of these mickey mouse players long contracts?:p
Mickey Mouse players such as Mayo, Hart, Roberts and Carpenter? Can you produce a post from the time they were given new contracts showing your disapproval then? Were you one of the great minority of people who complained about signing Roberts? Or did you hail it as a great signing?
I agree that Oatway was a surprise but he has been very good this year and can't be blamed for the current problems. Jones has had a nightmare but again that couldn't have been forseen.
It's very easy to use hindsight and criticise decisions you didn't make. As I said, let's see your posts complaining about all of the decisions you complain about now.
you won't get a intelligent response of ernest it will just be his normal one line reply slatting a poster chairmen/players and not outlining his angle of the situation.
come on ernest give us a decent reply?
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 13:47
Fatboy has a large amount of shares now so dick isn't in full controll of the club.:)
It just pisses me off when all we ask is a bit of money for a couple of decent players and also why fatboy gets no credit for whopping in a large amount of money compared to dick.
You all no aswell as me that dick has fu-cked up many times although got away with it most of the time.
I don't like to back stab an albion fan like knight,but im just stating what i see.:)
The Great Cornholio
16-11-2003, 13:51
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
Fatboy has a large amount of shares now so dick isn't in full controll of the club.:)
It just pisses me off when all we ask is a bit of money for a couple of decent players and also why fatboy gets no credit for whopping in a large amount of money compared to dick.
You all no aswell as me that dick has fu-cked up many times although got away with it most of the time.
I don't like to back stab an albion fan like knight,but im just stating what i see.:)
That's all well and good but it's money we can't afford. How many other teams are in the same situation? Including Arsenal and Leeds. And can you please list Knight's mistakes? My list would be :-
Hiring Wood
Hiring Hinshelwood
Contracts to Rogers and Oatway
Being too nice
I'm struggling to make this many times. He could have made one mistake like Mr Ridsdale. Nice guy, get's good managers and players, has the respect of the fans. And nearly bankrupts the club.
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 13:51
Originally posted by The Great Cornholio
Mickey Mouse players such as Mayo, Hart, Roberts and Carpenter? Can you produce a post from the time they were given new contracts showing your disapproval then? Were you one of the great minority of people who complained about signing Roberts? Or did you hail it as a great signing?
I agree that Oatway was a surprise but he has been very good this year and can't be blamed for the current problems. Jones has had a nightmare but again that couldn't have been forseen.
It's very easy to use hindsight and criticise decisions you didn't make. As I said, let's see your posts complaining about all of the decisions you complain about now. Yeah roberts was a good signing!
We all new these players where average and they just fitted into our unit.
Come on these players wouldn't be on the target list for many clubs would they,so maybe instead of rushing such huge contracts it should have been 1 year and give them something to fight for unlike now as they are taking the piss.:smokin:
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 13:54
Originally posted by The Great Cornholio
That's all well and good but it's money we can't afford. How many other teams are in the same situation? Including Arsenal and Leeds. And can you please list Knight's mistakes? My list would be :-
Hiring Wood
Hiring Hinshelwood
Contracts to Rogers and Oatway
Being too nice
I'm struggling to make this many times. He could have made one mistake like Mr Ridsdale. Nice guy, get's good managers and players, has the respect of the fans. And nearly bankrupts the club. :lolol: :lolol: and mr knight has the money to get these sort of world class players players does he:drink: :p
Lord Bracknell
16-11-2003, 13:54
Originally posted by Ernest
How will Knight get anyone to finance the stadium when we won't be able to fill Withdean ?
No investor or finance company will put a penny piece into the club all the time Knight is there acting like it is his personal toy.
Knight out and then problem solved, it's that simple.
I don't know why I'm bothering to respond to this pillock again - since he completely ignored my last post about the cost and necessity of the second planning application relating to the Falmer access arrangements.
But no matter.
The Public Inquiry spent weeks looking at the viability of the stadium financing. John Prescott won't give planning permission if it can't be built - and he needs to be convinced that the finance is there.
If - after reviewing the Inspector's report and all the evidence presented at the Inquiry - Prescott concludes that Ernest is right about there being no investors or finance houses prepared to put a penny into the club while Dick Knight is there, I will personally pay for Ernest's season ticket for next season.
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 13:56
I have no doubts investers are Q'ing up that is fully agreed:lolol: :lolol:
The Great Cornholio
16-11-2003, 13:57
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
Yeah roberts was a good signing!
We all new these players where average and they just fitted into our unit.
Come on these players wouldn't be on the target list for many clubs would they,so maybe instead of rushing such huge contracts it should have been 1 year and give them something to fight for unlike now as they are taking the piss.:smokin:
The same 1 year contract that Coppell had? And how slated was Knight for not making that longer?
At the end of the day, if you've got experience in running a professional football club, I might start to believe you. As I said, it's ver easy to criticise other decisions when you know you've got no chance of ever making them yourself.
We're all frustrated after a heavy home defeat and a very bad run like this. But constantly looking towards the chairman is pathetic. We are solvent, 1-2 months away from a new stadium being granted and 7th in the league. Not bad for a club that doesn't own it's own ground, makes no income from matchdays apart from ticket sales and can only get 6800 paying customers.
The Great Cornholio
16-11-2003, 13:58
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
I have no doubts investers are Q'ing up that is fully agreed:lolol: :lolol:
I take it fully agreed means agreed by you, Ernest and FG?
The Great Cornholio
16-11-2003, 13:59
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
:lolol: :lolol: and mr knight has the money to get these sort of world class players players does he:drink: :p
QED
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 14:02
I can see clearly that my points are pointless and what i say is pure shite.
Funny thing is this could go on forever and even funnier is the fact that knight will be our chairman for a very long time and its best leave this to another day until falmer is built.:lolol:
thanks for a good argue troops it helps on a lazy sunday morning:clap2: :blush:
Originally posted by mitch
you won't get a intelligent response of ernest it will just be his normal one line reply slatting a poster chairmen/players and not outlining his angle of the situation.
come on ernest give us a decent reply?
Shut it you muppet :D :D
Originally posted by Lord Bracknell
I don't know why I'm bothering to respond to this pillock again - since he completely ignored my last post about the cost and necessity of the second planning application relating to the Falmer access arrangements.
But no matter.
The Public Inquiry spent weeks looking at the viability of the stadium financing. John Prescott won't give planning permission if it can't be built - and he needs to be convinced that the finance is there.
If - after reviewing the Inspector's report and all the evidence presented at the Inquiry - Prescott concludes that Ernest is right about there being no investors or finance houses prepared to put a penny into the club while Dick Knight is there, I will personally pay for Ernest's season ticket for next season.
Get your cheque book ready then :salute:
El Presidente
16-11-2003, 14:05
Just ignore Berkshire. He is a one trick pony whose financial acumen is on a par with his command of the englsih language.
It is not the job of a chairman to pay for players. Martin Edwards never did it at United, Ken Bates has not done it at Chelsea. You bleat on about DK operating a fiefdom and not letting others in and then contradict yourself by referring to the money invested by Fatboy. Fatboy was offered a place on the board and turned it down.
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 14:13
Yeah but 2 1/2 million has put us in a better position yeahhhhhh?
I don't care what you think of me el pres as im entitled to my view on things wether you like it or not.
Anyway doesn't most funds come from chairmans these days or am i rearly stupid in saying its the managers who dip into there own pocket to buy these players.:lolol:
Let people have there say instead of having things the way you want all the time.???
1st of all, great thread and argument easy 10. totally agree with all pro knight.
just a thought if all these so called investors (people who put in money to take larger amounts out) are queing up, where are they?
and surely we wouldnt want to open the door to somebody else like archer, who had lots of money anyway, (investors 4 you).
would of thought we are better of with somebody that is a fan not an investor. (dk).
and somebody that is keeping the club afloat in hard times.(dk).
wait till we get to falmer, see how things go.
easy 10:clap:
To those in my corner, providing eloquent, articulate and well thought arguments (in particular Brackers, El Pres and The Great Cornholio - some great posts there) - :drink: Good work fellas.
To those who still want Knight out - you're entitled to your opinion, but we will clearly never agree on this. And until you can come up with some tangible, realistic alternative proposals to Dick Knight remaining in charge, I think your argument is empty, and comes mainly out of frustration from the bad run the team is having at the moment.
I've calmed down a bit now, cos last night I was steaming, but its good to know that the vast majority of Albion fans who are not insane, still support Dick and what he is trying to do.
I'm off down the pub now for a few bevvies and watch a match I couldn't really give a toss about. Marvellous.
The Great Cornholio
16-11-2003, 15:26
Originally posted by Ernest
Shut it you muppet :D :D
Eh Hem! Haven't forgot your big chance to answer my questions have you?
Theatre of Trees
16-11-2003, 16:37
Perhaps if you did a multiple choice Ernest may respond.
El Presidente
16-11-2003, 16:44
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
Yeah but 2 1/2 million has put us in a better position yeahhhhhh?
I don't care what you think of me el pres as im entitled to my view on things wether you like it or not.
Anyway doesn't most funds come from chairmans these days or am i rearly stupid in saying its the managers who dip into there own pocket to buy these players.:lolol:
Let people have there say instead of having things the way you want all the time.???
Errr.....you are really stupid actually. The vast majority of money in football comes from Sky TV rights.
Looking at most chairmen in the Prem , the only ones who fulfil your definition of an "invester" (sic) is Jack Heyward at Wolves and the Crooked Croat at Pompey. As for the rest, they are businessmen
Originally posted by Charlies Shinpad
This is getting hot!!
IF DK had appointed SC at the beginning of last season instead of MH we wouldnt be where we are today,we would have had no need to sell BZ,although BZ would have gone at sometime,but no doubt a better price for a Div 1 striker than a Div 2 striker, and could of bought the likes of Ingarmarsson(£100,000)
So in a way DK is to blame as he keeps the purse strings so tight that he thought he could take the easy and cheapest option and appoint from within.
At the end of the day it his is fault we are in Div 2 by not appointing the right man in the first place,and as a footnote making no attempt to keep him when Reading came in,contrary to what DK said about prolonged discussions etc etc.
Most of you pro Knighters seem to have completely ignored this post though.
I think it deserves some kind of decent response
Originally posted by munster monch
Most of you pro Knighters seem to have completely ignored this post though.
I think it deserves some kind of decent response
You'll be waiting a long time then
Lord Bracknell
16-11-2003, 17:48
DK had no intention of appointing Martin Hinshelwood. He thought he had reached agreement with his favoured candidate for the job, but - at the very last minute - that candidate threw in a few additional demands which were unacceptable.
With the season about to start, the only option then available was to fall back on a stop-gap internal appointment - hence MH.
The basis of this was that if it worked, he could stay in the job.
Plainly it didn't. Therefore DK went in search of a permanent manager from among those who had been interviewed previously. Eventually, he persuaded Steve Coppell to join.
But SC always knew that he was second choice (at best) and this was never going to be the basis for a long stay.
Martin Hinshelwood has been justly rewarded for his loyalty to the Club and DK with the permanent position as Director of Football. For this, he gets more money and a reputation for failure that will haunt him forever.
But it was not DK's fault that this first choice appointment fell through. DK should be commended for not giving into blackmail (or, in the words of Charlie's Shinpad, "keeping the purse strings tight").
Lord Bracknell
16-11-2003, 17:52
Has anyone noticed that "COMMENDED" is very nearly an anagram of "CONDEMNED"?
There's a lesson in that for all football club chairmen.
Uncle Spielberg
16-11-2003, 17:54
Dick Knight is a hero. Just because we are playing shite at the moment I will NEVER forget what Dick has done for this club.
Originally posted by Lord Bracknell
DK had no intention of appointing Martin Hinshelwood. He thought he had reached agreement with his favoured candidate for the job, but - at the very last minute - that candidate threw in a few additional demands which were unacceptable.
With the season about to start, the only option then available was to fall back on a stop-gap internal appointment - hence MH.
The basis of this was that if it worked, he could stay in the job.
Plainly it didn't. Therefore DK went in search of a permanent manager from among those who had been interviewed previously. Eventually, he persuaded Steve Coppell to join.
But SC always knew that he was second choice (at best) and this was never going to be the basis for a long stay.
Martin Hinshelwood has been justly rewarded for his loyalty to the Club and DK with the permanent position as Director of Football. For this, he gets more money and a reputation for failure that will haunt him forever.
But it was not DK's fault that this first choice appointment fell through. DK should be commended for not giving into blackmail (or, in the words of Charlie's Shinpad, "keeping the purse strings tight").
Well said Lord B. That is the accurate story.
Btw do people realise that we haven't got all the money from Spurs for Bobby yet?
It is being paid in two instalments, the second being paid next year.
Lucky_Boy_Farang
16-11-2003, 18:18
Originally posted by The Great Cornholio
Try telling Notts County that.
Erm, Maybe it has something to do with them being in dept of £4.5 million.
Lucky_Boy_Farang
16-11-2003, 18:24
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by El Presidente
You constantly bleat about DK spending money on players, well he has. Leon Knight and Ben Roberts bost are on good contracts.
The reason he brought Leon Knight is becasue it was an investment. Dick Tight is thinking to himself within 2 years I'll sell him for £500,000 and make a beautiful profit but fucked if I'll re-invest it into the playing side.
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 18:24
Originally posted by El Presidente
Errr.....you are really stupid actually. The vast majority of money in football comes from Sky TV rights.
Looking at most chairmen in the Prem , the only ones who fulfil your definition of an "invester" (sic) is Jack Heyward at Wolves and the Crooked Croat at Pompey. As for the rest, they are businessmen Yeah but you didn't awnser my question did you!
So what would have happened if fatboy slim didn't put 2 1/2 million into the club?
Face it fatboy slim has put 4 times what knight has via sponsership etc into the club and gets no credit as all credit goes to knight.
To be very honest i would rather lose knight than fatboy slim any day.
:p :clap2: :drink:
The Great Cornholio
16-11-2003, 18:26
Originally posted by Lucky_Boy_Farang
Erm, Maybe it has something to do with them being in dept of £4.5 million.
And that's supposed to degrade my argument how? Excellent opportunity to pick up a club with a very nice newly developed ground at a bargain basement price. Don't exactly see an orderly queue of these millionaires queuing up do you? They may be £4.5 million in debt but they probably own their own ground which could be used as collateral against loans. Makes them a more viable business than us at present.
Lucky_Boy_Farang
16-11-2003, 18:30
Originally posted by Soton Seagull
Lucky Boy said - 'I will watch the Albion whatever division they are in. If you want to be a glory seeking pot seeker go support Man U. There is more to being a fan than trophies, but under DK we have won two championships, more than under any other chairman. '...........
Mr Farang - I totally agree, but surely the quote undermines your other posts in this thread slating Knight!
Easy 10 - Top posts mate, but don't rise to them. Saw you at the match today, almost said hello! [/B][/QUOTE]
I did say that, But I get so frustrated with the team and the Chairman that I vent my anger out on here
:angry:
The Great Cornholio
16-11-2003, 18:31
Originally posted by munster monch
Most of you pro Knighters seem to have completely ignored this post though.
I think it deserves some kind of decent response
How can we respond when there are no facts in that post - just the suppositions of someone who knows nothing about the running of the club.
What if we'd signed Ingamarson? What if Smith had scored? What if Reinalt had missed? What if Archer hadn't sold the club to Knight?
Who knows? Who cares? Deal in facts.
they do own their own ground. (notts county that is)
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 18:32
:lolol: :lolol: :lolol:
portslade seagull
16-11-2003, 18:49
I know i'm not alone in thinking this as others i've talked to have also voiced there concern...what happens if falmer is rejected
the ' all your eggs in one basket ' quote springs to mind.
Believe me i want it to happen but remember its a 50-50 chance.
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 18:52
I would say 80-20:lolol: we get it:lolol:
The Great Cornholio
16-11-2003, 18:52
Originally posted by portslade seagull
I know i'm not alone in thinking this as others i've talked to have also voiced there concern...what happens if falmer is rejected
the ' all your eggs in one basket ' quote springs to mind.
Believe me i want it to happen but remember its a 50-50 chance.
50-50 chance? Is Prescott going to toss a coin then? Based on th evidence given, there is no possible reason to reject the application. That's not to say that it won't be rejected. But what difference would a new chairman make to this? Would he bribe Prescott?
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 18:54
Originally posted by The Great Cornholio
50-50 chance? Is Prescott going to toss a coin then? Based on th evidence given, there is no possible reason to reject the application. That's not to say that it won't be rejected. But what difference would a new chairman make to this? Would he bribe Prescott? Yeah a new chairman would bribe as we all no these politians are dodgy to say the least.:p
Charlies Shinpad
16-11-2003, 19:27
In response to DK being let down by this supposed manager at the last minute and being forced!!!!!to appoint MH.
So who was this alleged Manager then?
Wouldnt do DKs Credability any harm if he had named and shamed this man,because ultimately those games at the beginnig of last season cost us our Div 1 status,and all this unrest since.
So anyone out there know who he was??
portslade seagull
16-11-2003, 19:36
I was'nt saying anything about a new chairman at all !!!!!!!!!!
All i'm saying is everybody is so cocksure that falmer will happen
what happens if it goes pear-shaped.
The cost has already rocketed skywards if we've no money now
how is borrowing the millions required going to alleviate the
position we are already in ??????????????
CHAPPERS
16-11-2003, 19:42
Do the people whou shout, 'get your wallet out Knight' realise how FUCKING RETARDED THEY LOOK?
Yes gents, you look like complete twats who have absolutely no idea about anything.
Posting posting Easy, it's hard to accept that some people would rather see Knight leave after everything he's done for the club.
Short memories still evident at the Withdean.
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 19:46
Originally posted by ChapmansThe Saviour
Do the people whou shout, 'get your wallet out Knight' realise how FUCKING RETARDED THEY LOOK?
Yes gents, you look like complete twats who have absolutely no idea about anything.
Posting posting Easy, it's hard to accept that some people would rather see Knight leave after everything he's done for the club.
Short memories still evident at the Withdean. Errrr what money:p
Whats so retarded about wanting a few extra bob to try and get a decentish side to move into falmer with.:p
Originally posted by Lucky_Boy_Farang
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by El Presidente
You constantly bleat about DK spending money on players, well he has. Leon Knight and Ben Roberts bost are on good contracts.
The reason he brought Leon Knight is becasue it was an investment. Dick Tight is thinking to himself within 2 years I'll sell him for £500,000 and make a beautiful profit but fucked if I'll re-invest it into the playing side.
You see, this is the level of intellect we are working with here. According to Farang, Dick has brought in Leon so that we can re-sell him for £500k in 2 years time - and this is apparently a "BAD THING" somehow.
If in two years time we can get half a million for Leon, I'd have to assume he'd have served us pretty well and scored an absolute bucktetload of goals for us. We'd have had 2 years service from an excellent young striker who we paid relative peanuts for.
But Dick Knight is just "thinking to himself" (sic) in bringing bloody good strikers to the Albion and selling them on for a profit. How feckin SELFISH of him eh ? Why didn't Dick Knight buy some SHITE players instead, who'd be here for ever cos no other fucker would be in the slightest bit interested. Surely thats the way forward ? If you live in Farangs world it is, anyway.
Come on you anti-Knight protesters. At least test me with a reply, this is like shooting fish in a fucking barrell.
I've been drinking, and you've got me swearing again now.
CHAPPERS
16-11-2003, 19:47
Berks - Where is the money going to come from? Seriously.
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 19:52
Yeah thats just it and i no that many investors are Q'ing up for falmer,but i have stated thats its a real shame we can't get a small invester now and not talking big money either.
Yeah i no there is no invester currently,but that should be a goal to improve the team a bit before the big move.:clap:
Theatre of Trees
16-11-2003, 20:11
So who are these investors Berks? Got any names? What are they demanding in return?
Right, Charlies Shinpad. As you're one of the few thats bothered coming up with something other than senseless abuse and rubbish, I've taken the time to address each of your points.
"IF DK had appointed SC at the beginning of last season instead of MH we wouldnt be where we are today,we would have had no need to sell BZ,although BZ would have gone at sometime,but no doubt a better price for a Div 1 striker than a Div 2 striker, and could of bought the likes of Ingarmarsson(£100,000)"
Ifs and buts. You present this as though it were fact. Zamora went in the summer after we'd been relegated to D2 - had we survived by the skin of our teeth on that final day, how can you possible assume we'd somehow have got a larger fee for him ? Transfers fees are not dictated depending on what division the club is kicking off in. Its dependent on the PLAYER for christs sake.
"So in a way DK is to blame as he keeps the purse strings so tight that he thought he could take the easy and cheapest option and appoint from within"
Dick made a mistake in appointing Hinsh, no dispute there. But you still don't seem to understand quite why DK has to keep a grasp on the purse strings at the Albion...do you honestly think he's out spending all the money he saves on yachts and Ferrari's or something ? We are SOLVENT because of Dicks prudence, and therefore a far more attractive proposition for future investers in the club than some wreck of a club like Notts County or Huddersfield.
"At the end of the day it his is fault we are in Div 2 by not appointing the right man in the first place,and as a footnote making no attempt to keep him when Reading came in,contrary to what DK said about prolonged discussions etc etc".
At the end of the day, its THANKS TO Knight we are in Div 2 right now, but it seems for some right now, that is simply not good enough. Remember where we were when he came in, cos I do. We've had a taste of Div 1 and that seems to have warped some minds into thinking we somehow have a right to be playing there right now, despite the fact that we can't get more than 7,000 into our athletics track "stadium". And don't even bother with the "we could have kept Coppell" rhetoric, thats a whole seperate issue that will just sidetrack the whole thrust of this thread.
Bottom line - until Falmer, we have NO RIGHT to expect anything better than D2 football. If some of you can't live with that, then I suggest you start looking elsewhere for a team to support, cos you're in the wrong place right now if you are expecting us to be competing in Division 1 with the current set-up. THATS the reality.
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 20:18
Or maybe we are just very passionate fans easy:lolol:
Lucky_Boy_Farang
16-11-2003, 20:22
Originally posted by ChapmansThe Saviour
Do the people whou shout, 'get your wallet out Knight' realise how FUCKING RETARDED THEY LOOK?
Yes gents, you look like complete twats who have absolutely no idea about anything.
Posting posting Easy, it's hard to accept that some people would rather see Knight leave after everything he's done for the club.
Short memories still evident at the Withdean.
Remind me who you are at the meet up and I'll go in the oppisite direction.
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
Or maybe we are just very passionate fans easy:lolol:
No dispute there Berkshire. If we wern't this passionate, I severely doubt we'd even HAVE an Albion to support.
berkshire seagull
16-11-2003, 20:26
Right to all i am tired of this crap and will not be posting again on these knight subjects as its pointless no matter what way you look at it.:blush:
Lucky_Boy_Farang
16-11-2003, 20:31
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Easy 10
[B]You see, this is the level of intellect we are working with here. According to Farang, Dick has brought in Leon so that we can re-sell him for £500k in 2 years time - and this is apparently a "BAD THING" somehow.
If in two years time we can get half a million for Leon, I'd have to assume he'd have served us pretty well and scored an absolute bucktetload of goals for us. We'd have had 2 years service from an excellent young striker who we paid relative peanuts for.
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Just say we did get £500,000 for leon do you really think dick tight will re-invest that money into the playing side ? To right he wouldn't.
Dick tight is loving it at the moment because we cant do no wrong in making money out of players and mangers.
But the time will come when our players will be worthless. We are on the slide and you no it I know it and everyone else knows it. Dick fecked up last season by bringing henchlewood in and not coppell, Yes dick tight had the chance to bring in coppell but decided against it because he was thinking..........I'll get hinch and save buckets of money. But why did tight put up season tickets by 20% for ? After he said we'll need a top coach and yop players and to do that I've put season tickets up ? CNUT!!
El Presidente
16-11-2003, 21:09
DK has put £1.5 million into the club and you have put in the price of a season ticket. Season tickets went up by 20% because Zamora, Kuipers, Carpenter, Cullip etc were on new contracts and they cost extra money, as did signing the likes of Kitson, Butters, Rodger and Blackwell.
Lucky_Boy_Farang
16-11-2003, 21:17
Originally posted by El Presidente
DK has put £1.5 million into the club and you have put in the price of a season ticket. Season tickets went up by 20% because Zamora, Kuipers, Carpenter, Cullip etc were on new contracts and they cost extra money, as did signing the likes of Kitson, Butters, Rodger and Blackwell.
Ok, But Zamora has gone, Coppell has gone, Brooker has gone and we got relegated to the 2nd but the season tickets still went up yet again. Can you please tell me why they have ?
El Presidente
16-11-2003, 21:22
The reason why prices have gone up is that the Sky money for second division clubs is far less than for first division. On top of that even though season ticket prices were very high last season the club still made significant losses. They has originally budgeted for an extra half a million coming in through increasing the capacity of Withdean to 8,000. Unfortunately some of the local wankers scuppered the plans with objections.
I hope this answers your question
Originally posted by Charlies Shinpad
In response to DK being let down by this supposed manager at the last minute and being forced!!!!!to appoint MH.
So who was this alleged Manager then?
Wouldnt do DKs Credability any harm if he had named and shamed this man,because ultimately those games at the beginnig of last season cost us our Div 1 status,and all this unrest since.
So anyone out there know who he was??
As far as I remember it was the World Cup Cameroon Manager
Lucky_Boy_Farang
16-11-2003, 22:09
Originally posted by El Presidente
The reason why prices have gone up is that the Sky money for second division clubs is far less than for first division. On top of that even though season ticket prices were very high last season the club still made significant losses. They has originally budgeted for an extra half a million coming in through increasing the capacity of Withdean to 8,000. Unfortunately some of the local wankers scuppered the plans with objections.
I hope this answers your question
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But why put tickets up by so many % when we will be watching second division football ?
How can we make a loss when we've made £1,000.000 out of Zamore, £230,000 out of coppell, How can we be making a loss ? Dick knight has made sure the money we get from season tickets and sponsers cover the players wages and the Falmer funds.
It doesn't add up I'm afraid.
El Presidente
16-11-2003, 23:18
The Zamora money went on barristers fees. The Falmer inquiry has gone on longer than anticipated, and as a consequence the bill had topped £2.5 million. No one wanted to spend this money but the wankers at Lewes Council are responsible for this total farce.
There is a danger that Falmer will not be approved, and if that happens we are totally fucked. But having one chance is better than none.
Lord Bracknell
16-11-2003, 23:59
Originally posted by Yorkie
As far as I remember it was the World Cup Cameroon Manager
Correct, Yorkie. The deal collapsed during the morning of the day that Hinshelwood was appointed.
Simply an observation ;
How lovely it is for the critics to use hindsight of history to be able to point a collective finger at the terrible wrongdoings that Dick Knight has committed. What an awful, inept dunderhead he really is eh ?
Yep, a couple of poor results on the pitch from the players that wonderboy left behind, and the wolves are baying.
Indeed I wonder at the LESS factually based conjecture (pipe-dreams) that big 'investors' are only drooling in their cheque books to get involved with the Albion. Ohhh yeeeeeaaaaah !
If only DK had been more considerate and left well alone, BHAFC would be SO much better off, CRAWLING in dosh and spanking Manure and Chelski every weekend, in Europe, and Sven in the Sportsman before every home game filling his squad with Albion players !
Oh what an amazing time we would all be having (in our dreams).
Now GET REAL you knockers, EVERY club has a few losses and a period of minor crisis, EVERY club changes manager, players and other staff members. Because we had a nice run of stability, were we due to never ever have a cloud in our sky again, ever ??
Shall I spell it out ? ;
G E E E E T T T T - F * & $^ % N G - R E A A A A A L L L L L L !!
Stoaty Ferret
17-11-2003, 11:06
Problem is I think we are in for a rocky season and we're going to have a lot of fair weather fans coming out and taking cheap shots and Knight on this board and SCR. I totally agree with Easy 10's initial post but try to take a balanced view of things with regard to the mistakes he's made. At the end of the day I trust he's got the clubs best interests at heart, and I can therefore forgive him for Hinsh and being a bit naive with regard to giving Mayo and Hart the long term contracts. Lets face it we've had a rollercoaster ride since he took over and I've loved every minute of it despite the ups and downs. Once Falmer gets the green light this club will have a future, and he'll go down as the best chairman this club has ever had.
Best post ive seen in ages Easy, couldnt agree more :clap: :clap:
Easy - great posting but I feel that you are wasting your time. Every time we hit a rocky patch the same old names come up with the same old rubbish - 'Knight Out' 'Open your wallet Potless' etc. Then we get the classic 'He should stand aside to let investers (sic) in'. Then the same old questions get asked like 'Just who are these investors?' but no answers ever come. In about 5 years of reading/posting on this board in its various forms I have only ever seen ONE name mentioned and that was the nutter Purdew (?). The anti-Knight brigade have been asked this question for years and they still can't answer it.
Maybe the question should be more direct:
Berkshire - who are the 'investers' that will come if Knight stands down (please forgive me if it wasn't you who said this about 5 pages ago in this thread)?
Ernest - you are always going on about Knight out. My assumption is that you are a wind-up merchant a la FG or E-Block Ernie (you may even be him). If you are serious who would you have replace Knight? - I want a REAL name of a REAL person.
Somehow I think that, just like Easy 10, I am wasting my time. But it had to be said.
Guinness Boy
17-11-2003, 11:55
Originally posted by Ernest
And you know just what is going on when you're in Tokyo ?
And you have to live where exactly to have a valid opinion?
Well that's us Overseas Barmy Army off I'm afraid lads. No more posts from us. No more logging in at midnight or 7 in the morning for crackly 2nd rate radio commentary, we haven't a clue.
So let's narrow it down. Britain obviously. Oh hang on I just remembered, there's those Alba lot and they all deserted the Albion for chilly jocko land. Um except the ones that were born there. Still way too North to have an opinion if you ask me Earnest old chap. How can they possibly know what's going on all the way up there?
South East England? Well there are the Seagulls Over London and they might have Palarse tendancies.
Brighton then. To have an opinion you must live in Brighton. Actually, hang on that would let all the gays and binners have an opinion though wouldn't it. Can't have that.
That leaves..well your place really doesn't it. I hereby start the movement to have this board renamed North Stand Earnest.
You fucking slice.
Stoaty Ferret
17-11-2003, 12:15
:clap2: :clap2:
Originally posted by Guinness Boy
And you have to live where exactly to have a valid opinion?
Well that's us Overseas Barmy Army off I'm afraid lads. No more posts from us. No more logging in at midnight or 7 in the morning for crackly 2nd rate radio commentary, we haven't a clue.
So let's narrow it down. Britain obviously. Oh hang on I just remembered, there's those Alba lot and they all deserted the Albion for chilly jocko land. Um except the ones that were born there. Still way too North to have an opinion if you ask me Earnest old chap. How can they possibly know what's going on all the way up there?
South East England? Well there are the Seagulls Over London and they might have Palarse tendancies.
Brighton then. To have an opinion you must live in Brighton. Actually, hang on that would let all the gays and binners have an opinion though wouldn't it. Can't have that.
That leaves..well your place really doesn't it. I hereby start the movement to have this board renamed North Stand Earnest.
You fucking slice.
You are the slice you muppet , how can you talk about something you know nothing about ?
Originally posted by Ernest
You are the slice you muppet , how can you talk about something you know nothing about ?
Since when has knowing something been a pre-requisite for talking on here? You've made a career out of talking a load of bollocks.
Garry Nelson's Left Foot
17-11-2003, 13:31
Originally posted by Ernest
You are the slice you muppet , how can you talk about something you know nothing about ?
How does where you live interfere with having an opinion on whether dick knight has done a good job for the albion or not, and whether he should stay on as chairman or go?
Originally posted by Bwian
Since when has knowing something been a pre-requisite for talking on here? You've made a career out of talking a load of bollocks.
I know what I'm talking about as I read the Argus every day and twice on Saturdays :salute:
You really are a waste of space Ernest.
Do you think you're funny ? Are you under the misguided belief that people think you are a real "character" on here ? Do you get off on coming across as a complete fool all the time ?
You're boring. You 've proved you are incapable of proper debate. Your posts are worthless, repetative nonsense, and I find myself glazing over as soon as I see them. Update your act, or find something better to do with your time, for all our sakes.
Guinness Boy
17-11-2003, 14:04
To comment on the team's performance you have to watch them week in week out granted.
To comment on the finer points of football finance, business and the league post ITV Digital you should first have the ability to breathe without dribbling.
Nurse, I think Ernie needs another wipe :eek:
Originally posted by Easy 10
You really are a waste of space Ernest.
Do you think you're funny ? Are you under the misguided belief that people think you are a real "character" on here ? Do you get off on coming across as a complete fool all the time ?
You're boring. You 've proved you are incapable of proper debate. Your posts are worthless, repetative nonsense, and I find myself glazing over as soon as I see them. Update your act, or find something better to do with your time, for all our sakes.
Not half as boring as you with your tongue so far up Knights arse you're tickling his tonsils.
You haven't a clue about Knight and the damage he has done/doing to the club with his dictatorship and when he has finished he will be hated more than Archer.
Originally posted by Ernest
Not half as boring as you with your tongue so far up Knights arse you're tickling his tonsils.
You haven't a clue about Knight and the damage he has done/doing to the club with his dictatorship and when he has finished he will be hated more than Archer.
Of course he will.
Bless you for finally getting me to see the light-now. I'll be forever in your debt for allowing me to see that Dick Knight is destroying this club and justifiably will be hated more than Archer could ever dream of.
I didn't realise what an absolute waste of space Dick Tight is. I feel cleansed, it's almost a religious experience.
Thank you ernest. Thank you.
Twat!
Charlies Shinpad
17-11-2003, 22:15
Just caught up on this thread.
Thanks for your comments Easy,Im not jumping on any bandwagon as I ve been Blue and White for 30 years now.
But someone answered my question about who the manager was who let DK down at the last minute.
One more question springs to mind
If he let down DK at the last minute,why the panic to appoint MH the same day?
After all we were about to embark on our Div 1 campaign,which in a way was vital to the club,whatever people say on here,as no one can argue Div1 football is a lot more sellable to the people of Sky,for financial reasons,and more importantly to the Anti Falmer brigade,as Div 1 Football Club looks a lot better on your CV than just been relegated into Div 2 and struggling to fill there home ground!
Originally posted by Charlies Shinpad
Just caught up on this thread.
Bloody hell, did you have a spare couple of hours then ?! ;)
In answer to your point - I think we all know Dick made a mistake appointing Hinsh, simple as that. It was the cheap option, it didn't work out. Its one of the few cock-ups the fella has made, but there's no getting away from the fact that, for one reason or another, Knight dropped the ball that summer.
Windmill
17-11-2003, 23:26
Ernest - if you take your cue from what u read in the Argus then it's no wonder you're misinformed.
Stoaty - good point. Rollercoaster ride is right and supporting Brighton is like being on the PepsiMax (is that what it's called?).
We had 2 brilliant years, back-2- back championships for Christ sake, and it was awesome.
Now we're having a couple of bad ones, but if Falmer is granted and I fervently hope it will be, then that will be the time to see if DK has the financial acumen to carry us forward.
But I don't think anyone should criticise him for what he has done so far in terms of keeping Brighton afloat as a going concern.
We are having a bad run, but so do all clubs, and I think we were perhaps in a false league position, mainly because of the ability of Steve Coppell to get the best out of a small squad of mediocre players (Knight, Cullip and Kuipers excepted).
I am quite happy to hang on in their for just a couple of months, hopefully then we'll see a mini cash injection for players to get us back into the promotion frame.
Gotsmanov
17-11-2003, 23:32
Easy 10, well done for your initial post. It might be an idea if we got a mod to remove everything else written in this thread, and leave your comments as a sticky at the top of NSC for all the detractors to read before speaking the usual rubbish.
Simple economics here - investors only invest in stocks they believe are set to be profitable, either in the short term, or long dated. No investor will invest in a product or stock that has a high risk. Right now, the chance of failure of the Falmer plan is high risk. Hence there is actually no big queue of investors waiting in the wings right now.
However, for the benefit of the detractors who tend to rely on their best friend, Mr Hindsight, upon which to base there arguments, let's withdraw this element of HIGH risk from the argument, and let's say that the Falmer application has been approved, and we have a stadium........
Has that queue of investors that are supposedly waiting in the wings suddenly appeared? No. We need to look at this realistically from the point of investors. The bubble of football as a bull stock market sector has burst. City investors no longer see football as a viable form of profit or return, recommendations on most football stocks are now only SELL, and as such, this kind of sentiment filters into the mainstream very easily, into investor reports. Investors are not stupid. They look at cases very closely, examine the risk return ratios, look at sectors in general, and decide whether there really is REAL profit to be taken. When they do, they see only one example of a healthy football stock - Man Utd.
What we're after is not investors, because they will look at every club outside the Premiership and only see a lot of risk, and little realistic reward. What we need is people, like Norman Cook, who only committed money to the club once he was suree there was stability and sensible business acumen in position, people who are DONATORS, who are happy to give to the club, safe in the knowledge that their money will be used wisely for the greater good of the club.
Yes, Dick Knight has made some wrong decisions, but he's made a lot more great ones, and I am wholly behind what he is doing for the club, and the way he is leading the club.
Originally posted by Gotsmanov
Easy 10, well done for your initial post. It might be an idea if we got a mod to remove everything else written in this thread, and leave your comments as a sticky at the top of NSC for all the detractors to read before speaking the usual rubbish.
Cheers for the comments Gotsmanov, but the last thing I'd want is for mods to delete other peoples posts, no matter how much I disagree with them. I did get wound up and maybe flew off the handle a bit at some, but the whole point of this is to open it out into a debate. I was just angry and speaking my mind, which is what most people do on here !
Gotsmanov
17-11-2003, 23:41
Damn it, give a man praise, and he throws it back at ya :D
GNF on Tour
17-11-2003, 23:43
Originally posted by fatboy
I don't like that argument.
It is like saying Robbie Reinelt should have a guaranteed spot in the starting line up.
Thats a ridiculous statement.
Originally posted by Gotsmanov
Damn it, give a man praise, and he throws it back at ya :D
:lolol: :lolol:
Gets a bit heavy on here sometimes, dunnit ?
Lord Bracknell
18-11-2003, 00:07
Originally posted by Charlies Shinpad
someone answered my question about who the manager was who let DK down at the last minute.
One more question springs to mind
If he let down DK at the last minute,why the panic to appoint MH the same day?
I would guess that it was for several reasons -
DK had already got the feel for the market place, having spent weeks looking for someone;
The Press Conference had already been announced;
To tell everyone that things had fallen apart would damage his credibility at a time when he was feeling generally beleaguered anyway - and make it even more difficult to find a suitable candidate;
Coppell wasn't prepared to step in at such short notice, but would take a few weeks to bring on board;
Hinsh might just have made a good job of it.
With hindsight, we can all say it was a mistake. I think at the time he had his doubts too. But what chairman doesn't?
Another Berkshire Seagull
18-11-2003, 00:22
Great Original Post Easy 10 :clap2:
Great thread also, shows the majority of Albion fans are still well behind the current board and DK.
I remember DK's pledge when he took over that he would bring brighter days to the Albion...to my mind he has already achieved this and will continue to do so for hese reasons:
1) Bringing the club back from the brink to a sound and maintainable football club (not easy in the worst climate for football in ages)
2) Returning the club to Brighton
3) For getting rid of Arch*r
4) Hiring one of the finest managers this club has ever had
5) Two wonderfull championship seasons returning us back to Div 1 for a season.
6) For proving Falmer is financially viable for the city of Brighton & Hove
7) For getting planning permission for Falmer
8) *Future* For getting us through the public enquiry that gives this club the only lifeline it has of returning to former glory days and ability to give a platform where the club can maintain a consistant club playing at the top levels of english football.
In summary: Dick Knight is on my list of all-time hero's...there's nothing that will ever get him off it!
:clap2: :clap2: :clap2:
BensGrandad
18-11-2003, 05:21
There ARE people who wish to invest in the club but will not because of the constraints that would be placed upon them. If you had the money would you give the club £20million and have the same say as a man who has given a great deal less. No if you provided the bulk of the money you would want the major say in how it was spent.
Rumour has it that the money received from Reading for Coppell was used to pay the solicitors because they refused to attend any more hearings if they were not paid immediately. I can neither confirm nor deny that rumour but I am sure that somebody can.
Originally posted by BensGrandad
There ARE people who wish to invest in the club but will not because of the constraints that would be placed upon them
Rumour has it that the money received from Reading for Coppell was used to pay the solicitors because they refused to attend any more hearings if they were not paid immediately. I can neither confirm nor deny that rumour but I am sure that somebody can.
Again it comes back to the same point Bensgrandad - who exactly ARE these people who are itching to pump money into the club ? Why do they not make it known ? Where is this supposed "takeover bid" going to come from ?
It's all rumour and hearsay, and just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. If some bloke comes up and says "I will put x million pounds into the Albion in return for a place on the board and a controlling interest" , then we've got something to discuss. Until that happens though and someone goes public with their proposals, I'll continue to back Dick to the hilt.
CHAPPERS
18-11-2003, 09:21
What an amazing thread this turned out to be.
You wonder how though when the first post kinda said it all.
This is what NSC is all about.
No suprise I have little to add then. :p
ChutneyStirrer
18-11-2003, 15:50
Question for Berkshire - are you certain Fat Boy put 2.50 million quid into the Club??
The Great Cornholio
18-11-2003, 15:53
Originally posted by ChutneyStirrer
Question for Berkshire - are you certain Fat Boy put 2.50 million quid into the Club??
I think we went through this one the Ernest One Trick Pony thread. I'm pretty sure it was £500,000 used to buy out Archer. No idea where this £2.5m figure came from.
THE THREAD THAT WOULD NOT DIE !!
:lolol:
ChutneyStirrer
18-11-2003, 16:36
Originally posted by The Great Cornholio
I think we went through this one the Ernest One Trick Pony thread. I'm pretty sure it was £500,000 used to buy out Archer. No idea where this £2.5m figure came from.
Just took a look at that thread and it appears that not only did FBS put in £500k to buy our Archer but he has also sponsored the club to the tune of £2mil over the past few years, except 'Fat Boy Slim' wouldn't fit on the shirts so he got 'Skint' put on instead....
Berks - contrary to popular misconception (and lazy journalism) Norman Cook does not own Skint records, he is simply an artist signed to the label. It could be said that without his success they would not be able to sponsor the Albion as much as they do but the sponsorship is down to the three people who do own the record label. And they definitely are not paying £500k a year for the priviledge of having their names on the shirts - the first season they were asked to sponsor the Club they were outbid by Donatello's!!
The Great Cornholio
18-11-2003, 16:44
Words from Mr Boy Slim himself from the Guardian Website :-
Because I grew up in Reigate, I'm ashamed to say that for the early part of my life I supported our arch enemy, Crystal Palace. But about five years after I moved to Brighton, to go to college, my mates took me to an Albion game. I'd just been dumped by my wife and it was a case of them trying to cheer me up for the afternoon. But I was instantly hooked and ended up going to every home game for the next two seasons. The problem for me now is that Saturday nights are my big work night, so I do miss a lot of matches through being away.
The great thing about supporting Albion is that there's never a dull moment. It's either championships and promotion or relegation dogfights. Someone came up to me in London the other day and asked who I supported. When I told them they said, 'Nah, what proper team do you support?' As if not being on the telly every week means you're not a proper football club.
That's not to say I haven't witnessed some dreadful games. The worst was losing to Notts County in the Division Two play-off final at Wembley in 1991. We didn't look like the team I'd been watching all season - it didn't help that we played in a weird pink strip. That was when the rot set in. We were 90 minutes away from the First Division but we lost and within the week had sold our four best players and started tumbling down the leagues. I'll never forget the drive back to Brighton after the game. Palace fans were lining up on the motorway bridges on the M23 to wave us goodbye. A terrible day.
The highlight was winning the Second Division championship last year. We'd drawn at home and had to wait for the Reading result. They were playing extra time and we had to sit there knowing that if they didn't score we were champions. The ground was eerily silent. We could see them getting the podium out to present the trophy. I thought, 'Ooh, surely that's tempting fate'. I couldn't bear the thought of them having to pack it away. Eventually they announced the score and the whole place went ballistic, and we ended up singing 'We are the champions' for about an hour.
It wasn't my idea that Skint, the record label I'm signed to, should sponsor the Albion but I was well up for it. Skint are a local company and the vanguard of the Brighton music scene, so it's a good fit. And the irony of having Skint on your shirt when you're short of cash wasn't lost on people. I remember we played Barnet, who were sponsored by Loaded at the time - has there ever been a better clash of shirt sponsors?
I've also put some of my own money into the club. The chairman Dick Knight took me out to lunch and I asked him whether Bobby Zamora was going to be sold. He looked at me and said: 'Well if someone puts a lot of money into the club then we can afford to keep him.' I said that sounds like blackmail and he replied: 'Call it what you like dear boy but that's how it is.' So I guess he tapped into my guilt. It wasn't just a donation, I do own a piece of the club. But then, a piece of nothing is still nothing isn't it? It's more of a hobby for me. I don't have to turn up for board meetings or be involved in decisions about whether we sell Bobby, I don't want that on my hands, but I do get a nice parking space - right next to the away fans' coach.
I don't make a big deal of my involvement in the club because of what I call the 'Elton John syndrome'. As soon as you become affiliated with a team, that's all you become known for and you end up getting grief off opposing fans. I haven't had it that bad yet. People do come up to me in the street and lightly take the piss, which is fair enough because I'd do the same.
The annoying thing is that the club's always going to be financially vulnerable until we get planning permission for the new stadium. It's ridiculous that a city like Brighton hasn't got its own stadium - the council really should have been more co-operative. The things that have gone on have been obscene - it'll all come out one day.
Part of me wants to keep the club at arms' length because it hurts enough when we lose but if I started going into the dressing room, that sort of involvement would make me ill. As it is, I can just about take the knocks. Although the 12 defeats in a row at the start of last season was difficult to handle. In a way, I blame myself. I've got a lucky blue-and-white striped woolly hat and when I started wearing it to games we went on a winning streak. At the beginning of the season, Zoe [Norman's wife] put it away somewhere and I lost it. That was at the start of a run of 12 defeats. Eventually I found it and the losing streak ended. I wish I'd looked for it a bit sooner. The season might have turned out differently.
The Great Cornholio
18-11-2003, 16:47
And this
But it’s not just the music that’s keeping Norman busy these days; small things - the Seagulls sticker in the car window and the kiddie-sized Albion football lying under the kitchen table – provide big pointers as to the other passion in his life: Brighton & Hove Albion. During the whole of last season Norman only missed five games at Withdean due to work commitments, and he’s also recently ploughed a significant slice of his own cash into the Club. ‘Well I’ve got a nice house; got nothing else to do with my money’ says Norman, ‘so the idea was to put some cash in to tide us over until we get to the new stadium. At the moment, because we can only get 7’000 into Withdean, the gate doesn't even cover the players’ wages, so we lose money every single match we play. We needed something to tide us over and to keep the books vaguely balanced until we get to the new stadium. Dick basically press-ganged me into it, with the promise of …well, with the promise of nothing really,’ he laughs. ‘When Dick said, “What do you want for it?” I said, “A parking space would be nice. Mind you,’ he adds, ‘I have been promoted to the Director's portacabin at halftime.'
But it would be a mistake to think that Norman's love affair with the Seagulls is a relatively recent relationship. He’s been going to home games for the last ten years or so, first on his own and then with Damien Hirst – now MD of Skint Records. ‘Yeah, smiles Norman, ‘Damien started getting into it too, and so then it was him and me, and then Andy Mac (another Skint stalwart) started coming along too. Then one day I went into Skint and they just said, “oh, by the way Norman, we’re going to sponsor Brighton,” which I thought was a great idea. To begin with it was a good joke, given that the club was particularly, well, skint at the time, but the main thing was that it was nice to keep it a local thing; plus there's a good crossover too, as a lot of the supporters are into our music.’
berkshire seagull
18-11-2003, 16:58
Originally posted by The Great Cornholio
I think we went through this one the Ernest One Trick Pony thread. I'm pretty sure it was £500,000 used to buy out Archer. No idea where this £2.5m figure came from. Yes 500k lump sum and his shares and are you not forgetting years of SKINT which means sponsorship money and not small amounts dear o dear.:nono:
Do you honestly think we get £50 a season for sponsership:smokin:
ChutneyStirrer
18-11-2003, 17:05
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
Yes 500k lump sum and his shares and are you not forgetting years of SKINT which means sponsorship money and not small amounts dear o dear.:nono:
Do you honestly think we get £50 a season for sponsership:smokin:
How can I put this simply for you?? Norman Cook does NOT own Skint records therefore the sponsorship money is not coming from Norman.
If Skint hadn't sponsored the Club then somebody else would've.
How much do you think Skint gives the Club every year for sponsorship??
berkshire seagull
18-11-2003, 17:14
I clearly heard 1 million for the 1st 2 seasons and without norman we wouldn't get skint.:drink:
Charlies Shinpad
18-11-2003, 17:27
Originally posted by Lord Bracknell
I would guess that it was for several reasons -
DK had already got the feel for the market place, having spent weeks looking for someone;
The Press Conference had already been announced;
To tell everyone that things had fallen apart would damage his credibility at a time when he was feeling generally beleaguered anyway - and make it even more difficult to find a suitable candidate;
Coppell wasn't prepared to step in at such short notice, but would take a few weeks to bring on board;
Hinsh might just have made a good job of it.
With hindsight, we can all say it was a mistake. I think at the time he had his doubts too. But what chairman doesn't?
So for the sake of a few weeks ,instead of the months of MH being in charge and a press conference , and losing a bit of his credability ,we might still be in Div 1 now then?
Say no more:angry:
Originally posted by Charlies Shinpad
Originally posted by Lord Bracknell
I would guess that it was for several reasons -
DK had already got the feel for the market place, having spent weeks looking for someone;
The Press Conference had already been announced;
To tell everyone that things had fallen apart would damage his credibility at a time when he was feeling generally beleaguered anyway - and make it even more difficult to find a suitable candidate;
Coppell wasn't prepared to step in at such short notice, but would take a few weeks to bring on board;
Hinsh might just have made a good job of it.
With hindsight, we can all say it was a mistake. I think at the time he had his doubts too. But what chairman doesn't?
So for the sake of a few weeks ,instead of the months of MH being in charge and a press conference , and losing a bit of his credability ,we might still be in Div 1 now then?
Say no more:angry:
And people still think this vain old skinflint is fit to run our club :angry:
The Great Cornholio
18-11-2003, 18:18
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
I clearly heard 1 million for the 1st 2 seasons and without norman we wouldn't get skint.:drink:
What part of this are you struggling with?
It wasn't my idea that Skint, the record label I'm signed to, should sponsor the Albion but I was well up for it. Skint are a local company and the vanguard of the Brighton music scene, so it's a good fit. And the irony of having Skint on your shirt when you're short of cash wasn't lost on people. I remember we played Barnet, who were sponsored by Loaded at the time - has there ever been a better clash of shirt sponsors?
The Great Cornholio
18-11-2003, 18:19
Originally posted by Ernest
And people still think this vain old skinflint is fit to run our club :angry: http://www.btinternet.com/~david.bulwer/100.jpg
berkshire seagull
18-11-2003, 18:32
Originally posted by The Great Cornholio
What part of this are you struggling with?
It wasn't my idea that Skint, the record label I'm signed to, should sponsor the Albion but I was well up for it. Skint are a local company and the vanguard of the Brighton music scene, so it's a good fit. And the irony of having Skint on your shirt when you're short of cash wasn't lost on people. I remember we played Barnet, who were sponsored by Loaded at the time - has there ever been a better clash of shirt sponsors? Me struggle:lolol: :lolol: :lolol: :smokin:
CHAPPERS
18-11-2003, 20:14
I thought it was 100 grand a season for the sponsorship?
Word up Berky, stop causing trouble you little Minx:wave:
Charlies Shinpad
18-11-2003, 20:42
Just thought i would bounce this to the top by saying ;
9 Pages and still going strong!!:p
Lord Bracknell
18-11-2003, 23:39
Originally posted by Ernest
And people still think this vain old skinflint is fit to run our club :angry:
Yes, Ernest.
Who else is there who will get us to Falmer?
alan partridge
18-11-2003, 23:47
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
I clearly heard 1 million for the 1st 2 seasons and without norman we wouldn't get skint.:drink:
you better get your ears tested then mate
one hundred THOUSAND a year. hell of a lot of difference wouldn't you say? 1 million a year!!!!!! now i know you live in cloud cuckoo land. how can you get pissed off with people questioning you when you come out with rubbish like that?
twickers
18-11-2003, 23:48
In the name of arse and the seven sons of backside I can't believe this thread is still going.
Earnest, aside from your clearly loveless relationship with Dick Knight, have you provided any alternative options?
Hypothetically let's suppose he is vain and useless, what would be the next steps Earnest? You're in control, what's your plan? End to end including financials, politics, logistics and the small matter of appeasing fans by balancing your books and maintaining a club with ambitions with your money.
Why don't you have a vote? Maybe have a vote on men in white beards generally, though I've already offered my take on Father Christmas previsouly and he never be able to do Dicks job.
ChutneyStirrer
19-11-2003, 10:20
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
I clearly heard 1 million for the 1st 2 seasons........
Voices in your head...?!
Originally posted by seagullsslimjim
I think the real sticking point is what has Dick done with the majority of Zamoras money and all of Coppells £230k compensation. As well as these two incoming amounts we now don't have Bobbys wages to pay (replaced by Leons) and Brookers.
All of Bobbys £1m should have covered several seasons of playing budget with Coppells compensation being an instant addition to it as it was an unforseen gain, and not part of the pre season budget.
These are the real questions that need to be answered by the board as it's the only visible income that the fans have really seen coming in recently and yet to no benefit of strengthening the squad.
Don't even start me on the £48m required for the new stadium. With a mortgage/loan at 5% interest PA the interest alone will be circa £2.4m a year, even before capital repayment. With 22 home games thats approx £110,000.00 a game. Divide that by average gates of 11,000 and thats £10 out of each ticket!!!:glare:
I think you have answered your original point with the last one. TYhe whole Falmer project is hugely expensive and that is clearly where a lot of money is going. Would you rather we scrapped Falmer?
Originally posted by Ernest
Knight has got total control you muppet and that is the problem
He HASN'T got total control. The structure of the club is that no single person has a controlling interest, and any GENUINE Brighton fan looking to invest will understand why,
WOW, after about an hour and a half, I have finally read through the whole thread, and it's nice to see that Easy's excellent opening post has proved correct in that no-one has come up with a coherant argument against Dick Knight.
I just don't understand why Dick Knight needs to go BEFORE any investors come forward. Why can't they join us now?
On the point of these mysterious investors waiting in the wings, I just simply do not believe it, as we would know about them if they are not getting onto the board. Why would Dick Knight be a stumbling block to these fantastic new investors? It can ONLY be because they do not get overall control, in which case why don't they come out and say so. If they want the club so bad and have multi-millions to invest wouldn't they go public to exert some pressure on Dick Knight?
Also, why would they insist on a controlling interest? If they are a fan, would they not understand why, since the Archer days NO SINGLE PERSON HAS HAD CONTROLLING INTEREST. We want it to stay that way, and I would expect any geneuine fan looking to stick in some cash would understand that.
If they want controlling interest, it's because they want to do things with the club that the other Directors wouldn't approve of? Doesn't that scare anyone? Why would Dick Knight and others disapprove of action unless they felt it wasn't in the clubs interests, such as a very risky financial strategy such as that undertaken by Bradford, Sheff Weds and others.
Let's face it the truth is that there is no-one looking to invest.
Let's not have people just posting "I know there are investors out there." If you know who they are get them to contact Dick and then to come out and say why they were refused, because I would be very interested to hear it.
Top posting Easy, this should be on NSC Gold, so that everytime we get some idiot just slagging off Dick Knight on some groundless complaint we can just refer them to this thread.
Well played Easy 10 !
Absolutely right. Doesn't mean he'll be there forever, but I would have him as my chairman in preference to nearly anyone else I can think of. And he is THE man for the job for the forseeable.
I'm sure they can take the club forward, they just don't want to spend money we haven't got and take us down a well trod road.
Some really great posting from people on here. Other than the "Hen" or "the person above me" type threads, this is without doubt the biggest thread I've seen that has really opened up to this extent and had the cut-and-thrust of genuine debate on it.
Bet you don't get many other football clubs who have as much to discuss on their messageboards.
Good work fellas.
I also think this has put a definitive 'lid' on the idiotic ramblings along the lines of "for the good of the club we must get rid of Dick Tight."
They have been put to the test, asked to come out and actually articulate their reasoning and they have either tied themselves up in knotts of contradiction, attempted to take the debate off at a tangent or just attempted to win the argument with the classic intellectual caveat ":salute: ". Hmm very impressive. :nono:
This thread has also restored my faith in this board. As usual the minority make sufficient noise that it appears they are greater in number than they actually are. As it turns out there are not too many slagging DK off and they are just the frothing ramblings of madmen.
alan partridge
19-11-2003, 14:37
Originally posted by Easy 10
Some really great posting from people on here. Other than the "Hen" or "the person above me" type threads, this is without doubt the biggest thread I've seen that has really opened up to this extent and had the cut-and-thrust of genuine debate on it.
Bet you don't get many other football clubs who have as much to discuss on their messageboards.
Good work fellas.
well said sir!
Originally posted by Gritt23
I also think this has put a definitive 'lid' on the idiotic ramblings along the lines of "for the good of the club we must get rid of Dick Tight."
They have been put to the test, asked to come out and actually articulate their reasoning and they have either tied themselves up in knotts of contradiction, attempted to take the debate off at a tangent or just attempted to win the argument with the classic intellectual caveat ":salute: ". Hmm very impressive. :nono:
This thread has also restored my faith in this board. As usual the minority make sufficient noise that it appears they are greater in number than they actually are. As it turns out there are not too many slagging DK off and they are just the frothing ramblings of madmen.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Says it all. I hereby announce VICTORY for the pro-Knight lobby !
LONG LIVE DICK
:D
(now close the thread quick before Berkshire or Ernest see's) ;)
El Presidente
19-11-2003, 15:04
There is a serious issue raised in terms of the financing of the new stadium. However because the aim is to produce a community stadium, finance will be from local government, lottery funding, sponsorship and other sources, including perhaps some from the directors. This is still likely to leave a deficit of at last £20million, or about £1.2 million a year in interest. This works out, on a budget of 22 games a year at around £60,000 a match. This is an obscene sum of money, but given that Ecovert charge £30,000 a game plus keep all the sundry income, as a lower charge per match than we are currently paying.
Howver, given these figures, it is highly unlikely that ticket prices will fall
It also shows why we do not go out and spend every penny that we receive from the deals done on Zamora and Coppell. Every penny is being carefully watched, and it clearly needs to be.
berkshire seagull
19-11-2003, 16:18
Originally posted by alan partridge
you better get your ears tested then mate
one hundred THOUSAND a year. hell of a lot of difference wouldn't you say? 1 million a year!!!!!! now i know you live in cloud cuckoo land. how can you get pissed off with people questioning you when you come out with rubbish like that? May i suggest you wash your eyes out properly before you blab on as usual and read it clearly states 1 million for 2 seasons.:p
I have seen it many of times ages ago that fatboy has pumped 2.5 million into the albion in 4 years or so.:clap2: :drink:
Thread still going strong greattttttttttt:drink:
CHAPPERS
19-11-2003, 17:03
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
May i suggest you wash your eyes out properly before you blab on as usual and read it clearly states 1 million for 2 seasons.:p
I have seen it many of times ages ago that fatboy has pumped 2.5 million into the albion in 4 years or so.:clap2: :drink:
Thread still going strong greattttttttttt:drink:
Berky you naughty little boy. That's complete bulshit and yuo know it.:p
berkshire seagull
19-11-2003, 17:06
He has pumped in money and the amount of 2.5 million in 4 years it was on teletext a fair bit ago as i recall saying top man you are fatboy.:)
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
He has pumped in money and the amount of 2.5 million in 4 years it was on teletext a fair bit ago as i recall saying top man you are fatboy.:)
Teletext eh? Blimey MUST be true.
I am equally sure I read it was £500k.
Charlies Shinpad
19-11-2003, 17:09
When DK appointed MM,he said there was money in the pot for new players.
Well if that is the case,why, when you read todays Argus is MM saying we have to get rid of a quality keeper to fund a new player?
Someone is not telling the complete truth here are they?
We only signed Ben Roberts in the summer,so why after a few games into the season can we no longer afford 2 keepers?
Someone hasnt done there sums very well have they?
berkshire seagull
19-11-2003, 17:12
Originally posted by Gritt23
Teletext eh? Blimey MUST be true.
I am equally sure I read it was £500k. Yes he did pump in a straight 500k at one time for shares in the club about 2 year ago.
I recall that clearly 2 and sponsership is a lot more than 100k a season trust me and im sure you will find that out.:D
Originally posted by Charlies Shinpad
When DK appointed MM,he said there was money in the pot for new players.
Well if that is the case,why, when you read todays Argus is MM saying we have to get rid of a quality keeper to fund a new player?
Someone is not telling the complete truth here are they?
We only signed Ben Roberts in the summer,so why after a few games into the season can we no longer afford 2 keepers?
Someone hasnt done there sums very well have they?
As usual with Knight the sums don't add up
Originally posted by berkshire seagull
Yes he did pump in a straight 500k at one time for shares in the club about 2 year ago.
I recall that clearly 2 and sponsership is a lot more than 100k a season trust me and im sure you will find that out.:D
Sponsorship? What sponsorship?
Surely you are not claiming the Skint sponsorship as a cash injection from Fat Boy Slim are you? Is that how you get to £2.5m?
Originally posted by Charlies Shinpad
When DK appointed MM,he said there was money in the pot for new players.
Well if that is the case,why, when you read todays Argus is MM saying we have to get rid of a quality keeper to fund a new player?
Someone is not telling the complete truth here are they?
We only signed Ben Roberts in the summer,so why after a few games into the season can we no longer afford 2 keepers?
Someone hasnt done there sums very well have they?
No-one has given amounts. I'm sure there is money in the pot, but I would interpret MM's comments as him looking to increase this pot.
PERHAPS (am NOT stating this as fact), there was £100k in the pot for new players when MM arrived. Some has been used on the loan signing of Rehman (who was on his way back when MM arrived) and Yeates.
PERHAPS Mark McGhee has his eye on a particular player who will cost £150k, and he therefore needs to sell a keeper to increase his pot sufficiently to make the purchase he's after.
If that is the case then, that would all make sense, and no-one has lied to us. It does annoy me that some people are quick to conclude that we are not being told the truth.
berkshire seagull
19-11-2003, 18:04
So why all the gossip about the coppell fund is going into the kitty as it was everywhere,but no doubt gossip.:lolol:
Charlies Shinpad
19-11-2003, 18:08
But if FDM does go we still have to get a Loan keeper in,and that will cost money.
Ben Roberts is not exactly known as an injury free keeper is he,so the Loan Keeper will have to be of a decent standard.
So are we looking for another Dave Beasant?,who doesnt come cheap!
It seems that the extra money we are trying to raise is going to buy a striker or midfielder,and I wont disagree with that,but you need someone decent between the sticks to keep the ball out in the first place.So that a helluva gamble on Roberts staying injury free!!
I just think the money we raise buy selling FDM is only going to be a stop gap!
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