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Zeberdi

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News updates (in brief!)

  • Hamas in Cairo talks has refused to backdown on ceasefire conditions for a complete ceasefire, withdrawal of Israeli troops from Gaza, the return of Gazan residents to their homes, freedom of movement and serious hostage exchange - Israel will not concede to any conditions.

  • Meanwhile, Israel prepares to go ahead with it’s ground invasion of Rafah after withdrawing its ground forces over the weekend in preparation for the offensive - where 1.1m Gazan refugees are camped out, and against universal international warnings of a humanitarian catastrophe if Israel proceeds.

  • Israel has denied Turkey's request to join air drops of humanitarian aid to Palestinians in Gaza, Turkey's foreign minister said.



 


A1X

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Interesting stat an estimated 60 percent of Hamas militants areorphans from previous wars.

And the Israeli still thinks it will eliminate Hamas.
America post-9/11 also thought it could destroy an idea. It failed.
 


























Pavilionaire

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Interesting stat an estimated 60 percent of Hamas militants are orphans from previous wars.

And the Israeli still thinks it will eliminate Hamas.
Revenge is a powerful motivator. And how much of Israel's over-reaction is due to the wounds lying deep in the psyche from the Holocaust and centuries of persecution? Netanyahu's own father was born in Poland in 1910 and was a hawkish Zionist who believed in the expulsion of the Arabs from the new Jewish homeland. He lived to be 102. It is not surprising Bibi is as tenacious and zealous as he is.

I would say the Israeli actions will have guaranteed instability in that region for another 40 years minimum, as well as losing Western goodwill for another 20 years minimum.
 






A1X

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Post 9/11 America was also absolutely hell-bent on vengeance for the slaughter of innocent people. Which nation - or quasi-nation - worthy of the name wouldn't be? And so we go again. And again... :down:
Yes it would appear so. All those destitute and orphaned kids we see on our screens in Gaza today will be an extremely fertile breeding ground for the Hamas (or whoever replaces Hamas) terrorists of the future. It is why ultimately a peaceful two-state solution backed by multiple international partners is the only outcome which stands a chance at bring peace.
 








rippleman

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Revenge is a powerful motivator. And how much of Israel's over-reaction is due to the wounds lying deep in the psyche from the Holocaust and centuries of persecution? Netanyahu's own father was born in Poland in 1910 and was a hawkish Zionist who believed in the expulsion of the Arabs from the new Jewish homeland. He lived to be 102. It is not surprising Bibi is as tenacious and zealous as he is.

I would say the Israeli actions will have guaranteed instability in that region for another 40 years minimum, as well as losing Western goodwill for another 20 years minimum.
If every descendant of somebody killed in the Holocaust behaved in the same way as Netanyahu the world really would be in bother. Fortunately, it is only Netanyahu and his small, but influential cabel of right-wing extremists (aided and abetted by us and the USA arming the Israeli state) that are committing the atrocities in Gaza. So let's not come up with "excuses" for him.

In any event, wouldn't it be odd for somebody whose family suffered in the Holocaust, to commit genocide himself? The nazis wanted to remove the Jewish peoples from the earth and decided the best way was to kill and starve them. The State of Israel wants to remove the Palestinian people from Gaza and has decided that the best way is to kill and starve them. Different scale, but exactly the same aim.
 


fly high

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Yes it would appear so. All those destitute and orphaned kids we see on our screens in Gaza today will be an extremely fertile breeding ground for the Hamas (or whoever replaces Hamas) terrorists of the future. It is why ultimately a peaceful two-state solution backed by multiple international partners is the only outcome which stands a chance at bring peace.
Sadly the hard part is convincing both sides to sign up for a two state solution. The hatred & distrust is even more entrenched than it was. I can't see it happening in this current century how ever much some may want it, the extremists on both sides will make sure it doesn't happen.
 
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